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Част 1 Rabash. The Meaning of Truth and Faith. 3 (1985)

Rabash. The Meaning of Truth and Faith. 3 (1985)

5 юни 2023

Morning Lesson June 5, 2023

Transcription is made from simultaneous translation, which leaves a possibility for differences in the audio.

Part 1:

Rabash. Article No. 3, 1985. The Meaning of Truth and Faith

The Meaning of Truth and Faith. (00:31)

1. S. (25:59) What's the meaning here that if he has a detaining force and the vessels of the upper one relative to which I don't need to worry about my work but only to be in bestowal, what does it mean those two degrees?

R. It's the next degree that I step on when I lower my head towards the upper one and I agree with whatever He does with me because what the upper one does is wholeness. This is how I accept it and that's it, and then I have no questions but rather I just want the upper one to work on me more and more. And whatever will happen to me that is not so important I don't criticize that.

S. What is that detaining force that doesn't allow me to form, it is a responsibility, a support from above so that there will not be a miscarriage?

R. Well in general we say that this is the group, the environment, that it holds me just like an embryo which is in the womb and holds it so that there will be no miscarriage, so it doesn't fall out. Rather each time there must be forces there that close in and do not let it fall, run away from its development.

2. S. (28:11) Right after that it says that the mother should also have the force that illustrates, that creates the form of an embryo. What do we have to illustrate for ourselves?

R. The depicting force means that the mother depicts the form of the embryo, the embryo just has to annul itself towards the upper one, towards the mother and then she continues to depict it more and more fashioned in all of its internal and external vessels.

S. This force which she uses to depict him, where is it from?

R. It comes from the mother.

S. How do we depict it? He wants to demonstrate in our work, how do we?

R. As much as a person annuls himself, a mother can control it more and more and depicted with all the conditions so it will grow up.

S. What does it mean to nullify to the upper one, to this mother, so that she will depict me?

R. What it tells you about in the whole article is that everything that happens to you comes from the Creator, not from any other source and you only want to be in that even though it is against your feeling.

S. When that feeling comes when you truly feel that force working in you and there's the gratitude as it says but there is something here as if it's going on for seconds, intermittently, how to continue this consistently and not to fall into the group of other things?

R. It is only through annulment where it doesn't matter to me what I feel so long as I am under the rule of the upper one.

3. S. (30:21) It says although you want to walk on the path of truth you are not qualified for it either because you lack talent or because you are not able to overcome, as you are unable to overcome the nature of self-love with which you were born. So what comes after that?

R. What do you mean what comes next? What did you read, what again, what are you asking about?

S. You are unable to overcome the nature that you were born in self-love?

R. No, that's not a question or an answer.

S. You are unable.

R. So.

S. What will be of you if you are unable?

R. Adhesion with the upper one will give the forces, the upper one will give the guidance, the upper one will do it.

4. S. (31:37) What keeps a person in these two discernments of truth and faith?

R. He annuls before the upper one actually, that he annuls before the upper one and then from that it will get both the guidance and also the power to continue. All in all, he needs to resemble the upper one. There are a few stages in that here it speaks of the stage where he is still developing inside of the upper one.

S. During the time of truth when he is full of deficiencies what keeps a person on the path and not running away from it? How does it complete the faith on the side of truth?

R. Annulment, all the time that the embryo is inside of the mother it annuls itself for us in corporeality it happens in this way that the annulment also comes from the side of the upper one that controls it 100% in spirituality of course it also comes from the side of the upper one but it comes according to the prayer of the lower one.

S. A person can be in complete prayer when he feels only a deficiency or that joy from his state?

R. Well, that's a different question already. Where is the depicting force, the force that fashions the newborn, that it gives the newborn sufficient forces and guidelines and if the person directs himself to annul through his environment, through his Ten in keeping all the advice that the Kabbalists give him according to his situation. Then yes, he receives support, that he goes forward even though on each and every step seemingly falls, he doesn't know and these states are very different; it's like start and stop.

S. The depicting force and the determining forces are these the forces that the person generates? 

R. A person doesn't generate any forces, a person only subjugates himself to the upper force, this is how he grows.

S. In all the discernments here I only hear annulment?

R. Yes, actually the nine months of pregnancy is all about annulment towards the upper one from the side of the lower one.

5. S. (34:45) During the stage of conception we see that the embryo is not aware of the process. 

R. Well,

S. Why during our stages of preparation for spirituality, we need to understand all those processes and how does it help us?

R. We not only need to understand it, we need to participate in it. Meaning we have to bow our heads and be connected between us, otherwise there will be forces that are contradictory to the upper one, to the mother and this is how we advance.

S. But nature seemingly shows us that there are processes that the created being doesn't need to understand, it simply participates reluctantly and here Rabash is pursuing us to understand each and every detail on who's the mother and who is pushing?

R. Because our future depends on that, the way we develop, if we will not let the upper one rule over us? Who will take care of us, who will help us? We need to constantly be under the authority of the upper one and make of ourselves each time, the form, the shape such that the upper one will have to take care of us and promote us and here it all depends on the environment. As we see this with the fetus, it is entirely under the control of the environment. You say it is what its mother is and so on.

S. How not to remain in an intellectual understanding of the process and to enter and see where I am in the process?

R. A person cannot remain just in an intellectual understanding because that will not be development, it will just end at some point because there are many degrees, dozens of days that the fetus is under the control of the mother and it has to annul itself and there is no chance for it to develop, God forbid. Its entire development is through annulment before the upper one, through annulment before the upper one and then the upper one performs over it all of the governance. The fetus is nothing about, we can say a lot about itself.

All of its commandments are only about how to nullify before the upper one in all the operations that the upper one performs on it. You must have seen, well, on the scanner of the womb, how the fetus is there, so what can it do? We see it's completely annulled before the forces of the upper one, before the mother, that is Bina, it develops it through the force of the light of Hochma and the light of Hassidim, and it accordingly has to constantly change and turn and receive commandments and carry them out. These are the months of pregnancy. There is a lot to learn about it but this is actually what it is about.

6. S. (39:21) It's clear that both the gratitude and the deficiency relative to the fulfillment must stem from the vessel of bestowal so that they will be combined together and then they can be in Katnut or Gadlut. It doesn't matter, there is nothing to be afraid of. If I'm understanding it correctly, that the gratitude has to be specifically towards the Creator, toward bestowal from the Creator and the deficiency relative to that bestowal should be about the bestowal of the friend? How different they are?

R. It depends on what stage we are talking about but actually, yes, yes.

S. Does a person say, well I care about the friends and together with that can have such an ego and hold himself higher than them so the examination relative to the Creator could reveal his true state and also the other way around: I could say that I'm bestowing to the Creator but together with that not be in bestowal to the friends?

R. Yes, this means that we truly need to monitor where is the truth and how much we have the truth in our vessels.

7. S. (41:23) It is written that the Lord is near to the broken hearted and I am trying to grasp why the Lord is near to the broken hearted? Because I know what it is to be broken-hearted. If I say a person who is broken hearted and I will try to approach, I will try to show that person that I feel him, I will try to show him that I want his satisfaction, I want but that is because I am broken-hearted and when I see that person, I empathize with the broken side inside of me. I want to help and heal that person like it is me but, what is the deal with the Creator? Why does he feel near to the broken hearted?

R. Because the one who is broken-hearted, is a certain period of time that a person goes through and then he has a feeling of what does it mean a broken heart, what does it mean a corrected heart corresponding to that which he needs to have but he doesn't have. Out of that he reaches a state where he has vessels in his hand so that he can truly understand the Creator both in the bad and also in the good. This is how he can advance. Only someone who has gone through the breaking of the heart which is many states then he can justify the Creator and be adhered to Him in each and every state.

S. Can we say that being broken-hearted cleanses the heart from the broken shells?

R. Yes.

S. I understand but what you answered is from the perspective of the created being.. I wanted to deepen it from the side of the Creator. We say that actually, He doesn't have a will to receive so how can He empathize with the man's will to receive?

R. We learn that from the wisdom of Kabbalah that ZAT, the lower seven of Bina wraps itself in the lower one in order to arrange all of the bestowal towards it. This is how the Creator also bestows to a person by clothing in a person, knowing exactly and feeling exactly on a more internal level what is it that a person is about to receive, how he should respond and what is happening to him. First it happens in the Creator, if the Creator suffers we also talk about that in a few verses, that the Creator suffers and he understands through the lower one, he feels the lower one.

S. Is it the purpose of the man that now I am in this physical form but reason of my physical form is to help the Creator to clothe in the desires of the others?

R. Maybe if you turn it around like that, that too, would be true. Yes, the purpose of each and every person is to be a conduit from the Creator to everyone.

S. I extend it from the upper to here, to feel the Malchut?

R. Yes.

8. S. (47:19) In the scrutiny with the friend, it turns out that if I seemingly bestow to the society, I might get my own greatness from that, I am not necessarily bestowing here but if I bestow to the Creator, if I subjugate before the society or see the greatness of myself if I annul before the Creator I also see the greatness of myself it turns out that I don't see annulment. You explained that he has to be in constant criticism to avoid reaching pride. So the question is how to be in criticism?

R. To annul through the group to the Creator. This is what we need to do in order not to have a miscarriage.

S. How do we annul to the Creator through the group?

R. We talk about it, we learn it, each one she'll help his friend, each one tries to present himself as though he is in it.

S. Annulling in the group doesn't make me annul myself. What causes me to annul myself, to step on the ego, to make myself small?

R. Why not annulment in the group

S. I mean speaking in the group is talking about does it make me annul my ego? What will make me step on my ego and annul it?

R. Envy lets say, envy that you look at others and you see how much they are already advancing and specifically because they are annulling and they were willing to take upon themselves the new conditions each time in order to advance even more in annulment.

S. Now I realize I wanted to ask, if I annul and I said that to the society and it grows my ego often times when someone who gives to the society makes him bigger so how do I protect myself how to by getting into pride?

R. By recognizing the greatness in your action, that all of the greatness in your action is in how much you diminish yourself, you serve them. you're willing to annul before them.

S. How to protect it so that in that state where I serve them I annul myself. How do I make sure that I don't feel bigger from this?

R. Here we already need to on the one hand, we need to see ourselves as great because we're able to annul because the two of them are already in opposition to each other, so to constantly keep ourselves and how much are we able to be greater in that we annul ourselves more towards the society. One who is greater than his friend his inclination is greater and we need to subjugate this inclination.

S. Then from this work we get the forces to subjugate ourselves?

R. Yes, we get forces from a higher degree.

S. This is the criticism we need to do on ourselves all the time?

R. The criticism or monitoring is in respect to the friends as much as we tried to annul ourselves and carry out the desires of the society. As much as I annul and invest in the society by that I elevate myself to a higher degree.

S. How exactly to measure it? What is the point against what I measure myself to see that I'm not actually raising myself?

R. I don't know how to express it but there are also a few articles about that, it is desirable that we will annul ourselves towards the Ten without any limits because the feeling of the limit or the boundary that thus far it's enough for me. This is exactly the point of the shattering, that's all.

S. When I tell myself that's it up to here from here I am right wrong this is where I need to annul myself?

R. Yes.

9. S. (53:50) Should we try the prayer and gratitude should always be together or is this their time for this and time for that?

R. There can be a time for this in time for that.

S. Is there a certain order that I should be meticulous to start from gratitude or should there be an order from the feeling should I have that is how I should do it?

R. If a person annuls then he feels according to the flow.

S. Is there anything about the dosage that I see that if I'm not in gratitude ?What's the ratio between the two of them?

R. Yes, we'll talk about it.

10. S. (54:49) It seems like these two states of prayer, and gratitude it's what I what comes at the end. This is what I feel at the end. It's that I annulled and I received a prayer and gratitude, so what do I do a second later?

R. You've got a new state.

S. Now what do I do?

R. Realize it.

S. I prayed or I gave gratitude but what now?

R. Now you have to receive a response. You perform an action and you need to receive the response or the reaction.

S. Usually the response will be either a prayer or gratitude?

R. It's possible, yes.

11. S. (55:42) What is in the annulment that makes the lower one grow or develop?

R. Annulment towards the upper one where the lower one takes upon himself the state the upper one that has prearranged for him that brings the lower one to greater bestowal from the upper one.

S. Why does the annulment create adhesion between the lower one and the upper one?

R. It generates the embryo.

S. What's in the annulment that it develops the lower one?

R. Because the annulment of the lower one blesses the exact condition on the lower one to acquire a more advanced form of the upper one, he annuls himself towards the upper one.

S. When he knows himself what happens then?

R. He's willing to receive the form of the upper one from the upper one the next in line.

S. The upper one places is a form and in the annulment you adapt yourself you match yourself to that form?

R. Yes, the upper one places before the lower one various new states and the lower one has to accept them and take them upon himself, absorb them and arrange himself relative that's the 9 months of pregnancy.

S. What does he annul? If each one he adapts himself to the new state what does he annul

R. The will to receive he acquires from the upper one all kinds of forms of the will to bestow the behavior of the upper one and that's why he needs to annul himself.

S. How does the lower one know how to detect and identify the form that the upper one wants him to resemble himself to?

R. The lower one has to do it through the Ten.

S. How exactly and what does he do?

R. He wants to be closer to the entire Ten, then there are two so as much as possible and all kinds of changing conditions, and through that he makes his own form correct more and more as he advances up the degrees.

12. S. (58:52) About the boundary of annulling to the upper one, if now the coarseness grows in me and I feel distant from the 10 then there are two possibilities either I accept this situation and I say okay, There is None Else Besides Him, I'm good and doing good. I keep working towards the Ten the way it is or I ask of the Creator with the prayer to change the way I feel? The question is in this action did I change the Creator to change the way that I feel because I want to feel closer to the friends and to him. it seems like this is a lack of annulment towards the upper one. I see that I do not accept the state that he's sending me in terms of the coarseness?

R. I understand but try to go all the way and then it's possible that you will see and you will learn.

13. S. (59:52) I heard before that we need to make for ourselves each time a form so that the upper one will have to take care of us, so how and what is this form that forces the upper one to take care of us?

R. When we are adhered to the upper one we wish to be even more adhered and more adhered and in this way we force him to care for us.

14. S. (01:00:02) He says at the time of truth a person is deficient and then he is in a prayer but he also needs keeping. How can we both be in a prayer and both watching that the deficiency will not be lost or will be the wrong deficiency?

R. We need to come closer to this and then we will see, the lower one cannot develop unless it's going to resemble the mother to some extent. She develops herself towards the upper one with the deficiency towards the embryo with the deficiency and she herself feels wholeness in that. Meaning we need to try and absorb the qualities of the upper one of the mother.

S. There is a state of absorbing the qualities of the mother. There's a state of this true state,how during the time of the truth when he really raises the deficiency of true prayer along with that he can watch himself and keep himself and what guards him?

R. From what?

S. Well, there is a deficiency and when you have a deficiency many things can glue onto this deficiency?

R. His deficiency has to be to cleave to the upper one and serve the upper one as much as he can, with all his might.

S. Why does he write here that he needs guarding especially in that state?

R. Because here he may or may not receive the help from the upper one, it depends on how correctly he is asking for it, and it's possible that in addition to the miscarriage it's possible he will also in develop incorrectly and not with annulment towards the upper one and then the will to receive will grow in him more than the form of bestowal.

S. Here in the state how can he truly ask for this or watch, this guarding?

R. If he wishes to annul towards the upper one. That is why we have nine months of pregnancy and by that he acquires the correct form of annulment towards the upper one, which is the embryo.

S. What is the prayer for?

R. To be in annulment towards the upper one.

S. It's the same thing, it's not too different, so seemingly there should be two things here, truth and faith.

R. But the conditions change, when they change specifically when there's truth and there's faith. Truth is his true state where he is nearly a zero and faith is that he's actually in wholeness because he's in the upper one, and as he advances towards labor and birth, there's more annulment and more wholeness.

S. Yes, these things are opposites. So if he will only be in the truth he will fall. If he will only be in faith he will not advance because it's in wholeness.

R. Yes.

S. So the question is how can one be in the prayer and also in wholeness at the same time?

R. That's our whole thing here, that's our first force and the second force they are under the control of the upper one and then the lower one can grow more and more by delivering himself to the upper one more and more.

S. When he gives himself to the upper one he should ask the upper one for something.

R. He asks to be annulled towards the upper one on the other hand, he wants to grow in that to resemble the head of the Creator, when he cannot do it the upper one cannot stand him and ejects him to the outside.

15. S. (01:05:50) All people very much value the emotion in the feeling here in the article it says also that the feeling and the emotion of is very strong but at the end of the article it says we should not take him to consideration what we feel that's the end of the action so I want to ask every emotion that a person receives it's only in order to rise above it in the end?

R. yes when we rise above the emotion the feeling receive a new feeling and new degree new discernments.

S. This is what the annulment is about?

R. Yes.

S. What is it that there are very long periods where we don't feel anything?

R. That's a problem. It depends on how much a person is connected to the society, we forget about this and this is the force of development.

16. S. (01:07:10) You said that annulment towards the 10 should be unlimited, what is the process that a person has to go through so that indeed he can go above this limit of the boundary of the annulment?

R. Annulment towards the Ten has to be exactly according to how much is required for his development, how to do it according to the actions, according to the actions as much as you can be adhered to the Ten there you will receive guidance, what you have to do to come closer to them.

S. The Ten should help me to annul even more towards the friends?

R. Yes.

17. S. (01:08:26) Rabash writes that the essence of the prayer is when a person is broken and he has nothing to which revive his soul what is the breaking of the heart on each and every degree

R. It's according to the degree but breaking of the heart is when a person demands help in order to have the right embryo inside the process he's undergoing. We read it again and then we will see things a little differently.

Reading: "The Meaning of Truth and Faith, again (01:09:33)

R. (01:33:00) Is it good that we read it again? Who is for or no? You are blocked by this so much?

18. S. (01:33:21) I heard earlier about the truth and faith that truth is the true state that he is almost as a zero and faith is wholeness that he is in the upper one?"

R. In the care of the upper and the control of the upper.

S. This true state that he is almost a zero?

R. Yes.

S. If that's the truth, so faith and wholeness that he's in it's not on his account, it's that the upper one is bestowing?

R. Ye, that the upper lifted him up.

S. So it turns out that a person has to build himself on two levels, he's in the state of truth and his is belonging to the upper one his annulment to the upper one that's faith that's the upper level.

R. Yes.

S. In the lower level he discovers how low he is?

R. Yes, that too what does it mean that he misses the nature of the Creator?

S. The Creator did that so he's more and more in a zero, so that I understand, about the second degree, the second level so for me, where I feel that I go and drown more and more in the zero an am drowning there but only if I connect myself to the group, my teacher that are in bestowal and love I will have some grip in something that belongs to divinity, right?

R. Yes, yes.

19. S. (01:35:01) Why in faith does he have to say thank you to the Creator and not in truth?

R. Because in faith he's in wholeness, and then he is near the Creator and can be grateful for Him.

S. We also learned that a person has to thank the Creator.

R. This is something else before we arrive at the truth.

S. The truth?

R. Yes, so we need to try to be an equivalence of form and gratitude to the Creator.

20. S. (01:35:51) What are the vessels of the upper one for the lower one?

R. These vessels of bestowal, the vessels are big vessels are also the vessels of reception who are in service of the lower.

S. But the vessels of the upper one and what is the lower one holding on if it's the vessels of the upper one?

R. In him annulling, like a fetus.

S. What is the role of prayer for the annulment towards the upper one? So what does he have?

R. This is all he can do, to raise his deficiency to the upper that he wants to be in him to grow in him that he wants to acquire his qualities from the upper.

S. Prayer is the expression of his annulment or that is the annulment? What is the prayer exactly in this mechanism of annulment?

R. Prayer is everything, it's the connection of the upper and the lower one, it's the raising of the deficiency to the upper of what the lower reveals that he needs, without the prayer there is no connection.

S. He also wrote in the article that the lower ones annulment he has no authority of himself to the up one so what does he have?

R. He has him annulling to the upper and then in this way he has room to exist.

S. The entrance to the impregnation of the upper and the lower what does this depend on?

R. This is still not in the lower. This is still fully in the control of the upper. The upper decides when he is ready to be impregnated.

S. The connection from the lower to the upper what depends on the lower one what does he do?

R. Revelation of the deficiency to what degree he is missing from the wholeness of the upper and this is all he's asking for and thus he grows.

S. In the upper one performs actions and he just expresses a deficiency?

R. Yes.

S. Where does the Ten enter in this deficiency between the upper and the lower one?

R. I believe it's possible to see that and we will reveal it more more that the Ten is the external clothing of our MAN.

21. S. (01:38:51) He writes that there are two states in the work, the truth that he's in the state of loneliness and then he writes that it can be grasped for the other side God forbid, so why God forbid? If he's in despair he can pray?

R. Despair is the least desirable form.

S. What should I reach from the state of smallness?

R. From the state of smallness he can begin to grow.

S. When I work with the Ten, with the friends on the path the state of smallness brings me to despair?

R. Why do you need to pray from a state of smallness?

S. Because then I feel zero compared to that, I can't add anything so I'm despaired from it, you can't be another integral part of the Ten.

R. Meaning until you feel yourself in a descent, as a zero, you cannot pray you cannot turn to the upper.

S. Exactly so, he warns us that on the other side the shells can grip us and throw us off the path.

R. Yes, precisely not to be in a state like you're describing but to feel a deficiency is a good thing. No, in order to pray you need to feel yourself in the state that you are falling over and that you are in a lack of attainment, lacking of everything.

S. What does a person do in such a state?

R. What state?

S. That you just described.

R. That he's feeling himself really like that, he has no choice, he's already in it and he begins to pray but he doesn't calculate that state as a good state that he needs to come down from that he needs to be in a feeling of loss of everything in order to turn to the upper with prayer.

S. What does it mean that the Sitra Achra is holding on to me?

R. It doesn't allow you to see yourself in the advanced state on the path.

22. S (01:41:44) How can the Ten enter impregnation?

R. She grabs the fetus from all sides and uses it in the connection between them.

S. Every friend in the Ten is a private organ of that embryo?

R. Yes.

S. All the work is annulled before the mother?

R. Yes.

S. He can be in resistance to the mother, how to recognize this state?

R. Only within the society, here we cannot research within the mother or anything but the most good or the most important for us is to be complete to be whole between us between the connection between us and the Creator, and then we are not the upper towards the embryo but we are the means.

S. What does it mean that we are in the middle?

R. Because the Creator is above us and we are in the middle as the passageway to the embryo.

S. We're not the embryo?

R. Well, us meaning the Ten.

S. We're not the embryo?

R. The Ten? No.

S. What is the embryo?

R. Each of the friends between us.

S. Each one is the embryo?

R. Yes.

S. The Ten is like an embryo?

R. No, we are like the womb.

S. The Ten is like the womb and each one is like the embryo.

R. You can play with it and read more articles.

S. Can we say the detaining force is when a person doesn't get flavors in bestowal before he's ready that's the detaining force?

R. Yes.

S. I can think that?

R. Yes.

23. S. (01:44:21) What does it mean that the Ten is the external clothing on our MAN?

R. That each of us raises a deficiency and all of these deficiencies connect and the connection between them all in all, rises as the deficiency of the Ten towards the upper degree.

24. S. (01:45:02) There are two keys in this article the one is the breaking of the heart and the second is praise and song, so the breaking of the heart that's the key, meaning that's what a person comes with this is the deficiency he has. That is the eye, the poor, the prayer of the poor that's one person a group a Ten?

R. O the entire world, it cannot be in the prayer of the poor as one but it can begin as the individual

S. In our state the prayer of the poor is the accumulation of all our deficiencies?

R. Yes

S. It's not a person. It's also not a group. It's a point of time I don't know time, a point of quality when the cup has been filled?

R. Yes.

S. Also, the song and praise isn't individual in a person like the degree of gratitude we reach together and when both of these states become ripe?

R. Then you have a KIi?

25. S. (01:46:47) About the approach he writes about I don't care what I feel but only about what is important. When we talk in the Ten, have a Zoom meeting in all kinds of situations and I want to give an example. Each friend wants to give an example through annulling towards the upper one. How does such a discussion sound? How through my speaking do I get such an example?

R. I don't know what you're asking and I don't know how to answer it. How through the speech you raised deficiency?

S. How through annulment can I pass through the friends that I don't care what I feel, but only what's really important?

R. That you cannot pass through words that much because we don't hear the words. It appears to us that someone is speaking and the other one is listening. It's not that, we all in all are awakening the field between us.

S, What is speaking correctly in the Ten?

R. From heart to heart.

26. S. (01:48:06) About despair, Baal Hasulam writes that it's the happiest that a person, that he is in despair of his own forces, that he can already really turn from the bottom of his heart?

R. If from the despair that he has achieved now, he's ready to turn to the Creator, the true deficiency, then certainly it is the beginning of a new degree.

S. Then does despair bring a deficiency?

R. Yes.

27. S. (01:49:02) The two forces, the detaining and depicting and if I understood correctly detaining is searching for some wholeness so it won't fall into the Klipot then there's the matter of the drawing force where he actually builds, so where is this building if we can speak about this depicting force in the work in the Ten between us?

R. This is the upper that is depicting it in him, the following forms.

S. First he needs that wholeness?

R. For the lower to receive it above reason these forms and thus, grow.

S. He constantly searches for wholeness?

R. Yes, this is our development.

28. S. (01:50:20) What's that point of yearning or longing to truth or to faith?

R. There needs to be both truth and faith.

S. Does something come before the other?

R. There are two lines and they need to be in completion to one another.

S. If we have to yearn for greatness Gadlut?

R. Yes.

S. Because that's the force of faith and the detaining force and we always learn that we need to keep Gadlut and we don’t need anything except for that?

R. Because the main thing is to guard the adhesion in the Ten in a group and from that the adhesion and the Creator. Then all the states were talking about you will be able to feel, you'll be able to sense the content of these states and it will be easier for you how each and every state is full. It's bloated, expanded, and there's something to talk about. It's like you taking a beginner group of children, but you don't have any not much to speak to them about. You said a few words and they're nodding but people who are already in it, have a few processes and they have questions and they have doubts and it's clear.

S. Is it right to say that the right form of completion is that a person always discovers his loneliness Katnut, the depicting force shows it to him and he needs the state of Gadlut (greatness) to pull it into their as if he's already in greatness in the state of loneliness but not that he yearns to be in the Gadlut and to bring it the detaining force the faith into his state of truth?

R. Yes.

29. S. (01:53:18) Man is the will to receive, an egoist, so how can he awaken a pure prayer from below?

R. By gradually including such desires and thoughts who all speak of bestowal. Certainly in the beginning he's only a desire to receive and the desire to receive is operating within the will to bestow and still within the Creator and there is a connection between them. Because the Creator is I have created the evil inclination meaning he created the evil inclination. This is why a person has the opportunity to awaken both the will to bestow and the will to receive.

30. S. (01:54:23) It is still not clear that it says that if a person is not in wholeness so he has slanders and he can fall?

R. With this the Creator arranges them, he organizes them, he controls them, rules over them.

S. There's also the opposite state that the grip to the external ones that he's in a full fulfillment and he's not in Katnut smallness so the external ones can grip on him and pull that filling out, so on both sides he's in a state of fear that he can lose or fall?

R. He yearns to be in adhesion with the Creator, he has no fear, no trepidation. The only fear is keeping the connection with the Creator, for the Creator to manage the state.

S. From the work we feel that we want to reach a true prayer to the Creator. It's as if what it says here is that the poor prayer from the poor it's from a full deficiency, from full despair, a feeling that we would want to reach such a deficiency. On the other hand, you said that it's not the desired state to be in, that we don't have to pray from a state that we have nothing and but still there's a tendency in the heart to reach such a deficiency. What should we do with this tendency that we want to reach a state that we're exploding from the full deficiency to respect it or put it on the side and take it in small portions?

R. We can't advance not in small portions because otherwise we're going to lose ourselves. We will know annul, either in good or bad. We need to be exactly in the balance, this bridge between the good and the bad where we gradually pull all the force from the bad and turn it into good.

S. I think for many things that we read about the exile from Egypt and the reception of the Torah that there are dramatic states all along the way. Then there is the advancement of dramatic states on the path. Are there dramatic states of a person? Should he yearn for dramatic states? Maybe in the dramatic states that are depicted to us in the books it happens differently?

R. A person needs to keep that he will have a good and positive relation to the Creator and this is important to him. How he appears towards the Creator.

S. What is this relation towards the Creator?

R. Bestowal and cleaving to the group.

S. These states that will come from themselves when you don't even think about them?

R. No, we shouldn't even think about them. Everything comes from above, from the Creator.

31. S. (01:58:07) How does the detaining and depicting force come into the expression in the Ten?

R. That is two contradicting things, one is letting us connect, sometimes they aren't, sometimes they push us to connect and sometimes they don't. Sometimes they show us their limitations in the connection between us, in the Ten, it's what we have practically daily.

S. Can you explain the depicting force and detaining force in the work in the Ten?

R. It's like an embryo he says they're detaining force that won't let the embryo fall from the womb, it closes the doors of my womb and there's a depicting force that against that when he develops that embryo in the womb that starts from one gram and ends in five kilos right, so what are you asking?

S. Exactly what you explained. Now this is very clear. How does it come into practice? How is it being expressed in the Ten, in the work between us, if you can explain it?

R. I don't know if I need to explain it, well, let's say, all in all, the embryo is called our mutual will to receive, and we need to constantly grow it, raise it, pay attention to it, in our common deficiency, our common desire, the way it grows inside the Creator and to try, each one to annul himself in order to give forces to the embryo. That's it, very simple.

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