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Daily Lesson (Morning) June 5, 2024.
Part 2: Baal HaSulam. Preface to the Sulam Commentary, Item 21.
Reader: We're reading in the writings of Baal HaSulam, page 209 in the Hebrew version. We are in preface to the Sulam Commentary of the Zohar, and we're on item number 21. Again, The writings of Baal HaSulam, this is the Hebrew version on page 209, we're on item number 21, section Katnut and Gadlut of YESHSUT and ZON, Item 21.
Reading Item 21: (00:31) “Katnut and Gadlut of YESHSUT and ZON.”
Once the issue of Malchut’s ascent to Bina, applied in each and every degree in the four worlds ABYA, has been explained in general, I will now explain them in detail. Let us take two degrees, called YESHSUT and ZON in the world of Atzilut as an example. Through the ascent of Malchut of YESHSUT to Bina of YESHSUT in the state of Katnut, the three Sefirot, Bina and TM of YESHSUT departed and fell to the degree below YESHSUT, being ZON. These Bina and TM clung to the degree of ZON during their fall.
Hence, upon the arrival of the time of Gadlut, Malchut departed Bina of YESHSUT back to her own place. Thus, Bina and TM of YESHSUT rose from their fall and came to the degree of YESHSUT. Along with them, they brought ZON, since they were attached to them during the Katnut, when they were fallen. It turns out that ZON, too, rose and became the degree of YESHSUT, receiving the same illuminations and Mochin fit for the degree of YESHSUT.
M. Laitman: Is that clear or not, please ask. Well, there's silence.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (02:59) We said that Bina, and Tifferet, and Malchut, like with the example here of YESHSUT that descends to ZON. Yesterday, we spoke about that in which it's the ascent of Malchut, that it rises.
M. Laitman: Yes?
Student: I don't understand, what exactly, rises, Malchut, that rises? What does it mean that it rises?
M. Laitman: Which state are we talking about?
Student: It's not very clear but we said that the whole process is happening because Malchut restricts itself from the vessels of reception and rises to Bina. And there, something happens that causes Keter and Hochma to be above, and Bina, Tifferet, and Malchut to drop.
M. Laitman: Yes?
Student: What exactly does Malchut elevate so that Bina, Tifferet and Malchut?
M. Laitman: Malchut ascends to Bina, right? What does he write, “Let’s take for example, YESHSUT and ZON in the world of Atzilut, that by Malchut ascending to Bina of YESHSUT in the state of Katnut, the three Sefirot, Bina and TM of YESHSUT came out and departed and fell to the degree below YESHSUT, being ZON. These Bina and TM clung to the degree of ZON during their fall”. Is that clear?
Student: I'm asking about the ascent of Malchut to Bina that has been clarified. When we say that Malchut restricts herself so not to use the vessels of reception.
M. Laitman: Yes?
Student: Do her refined vessels rise because when he says that Bina, Tifferet and Malchut descend, and then when they rise to Gadlut they take ZON with them elevating to YESHSUT. I don’t understand the AHP of YESHSUT comes down, where? To the AHP or to the Galgalta Eynaim, that’s what I’m trying to find out.
M. Laitman: “Hence, upon the arrival of the time of Gadlut, Malchut departed Bina of YESHSUT back to her own place. Thus, Bina and TM of YESHSUT rose from their fall and came to the degree of YESHSUT. Along with them, they brought ZON, since they were attached to them during the Katnut when they were fallen”.
Student: So, what rises along with the vessels of reception that were under the restriction can now rise?
M. Laitman: Yes, yes, it turns out that ZON, too, rose and became the degree of YESHSUT, receiving the same illuminations and Mochin fit for the degree of YESHSUT. You see, a fall isn’t always something bad.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (06:53) We had an understanding that the fall is like a lever. Where the state of Gadlut, it’s called the state of Gadlut because YESHSUT comes down to ZON and takes coarseness, it’s like a lever, if you can compare it. To lift something heavy, you need to put behind it a heavier weight, a greater coarseness in order to rise up and be incorporated with YESHSUT. So, the mechanics is very similar to this world.
M. Laitman: Right, okay.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (07:39) He writes here that in the end they receive the same illuminations in Mochin fit for the degree of YESHSUT. So, ZON receives illuminations in Mochin fit for the degree of YESHSUT.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: They adhere to the vessels of YESHSUT that came down during the Katnut and when they rise they are fit for receiving the illuminations. How can that be because there is no light without a vessel? The light of YESHSUT is the vessel of YESHSUT. How can the ZON be able to receive the illuminations of YESHSUT?
M. Laitman: What is happening to us here, maybe you can explain it to us.
Student: There is a second restriction on YESHSUT.
M. Laitman: Right?
Student: Malchut ascends to Bina, meaning that the vessels of Tifferet and ZON in YESHSUT fell to ZON.
M. Laitman: Yes?
Student: And then they are at the same level as ZON, this I can understand. The upper one restricts Itself and lowers Itself to the degree of the lower one and equalizes with it, that’s clear. Now, the upper one rises, Malchut comes down again from Bina and back to Malchut and the lights return to it, the lights of YESHSUT. The lower one that was adhered to it during the Katnut now receives the same illuminations of YESHSUT, I'm asking, how can that be? The lights of YESHSUT is something much greater than the lights of ZON. What happened there that qualifies it to receive illuminations of YESHSUT?
M. Laitman: Everybody heard this? Well, who can explain this?
Comment (Petah Tikva Center): (09:42) Maybe, like an embryo in its mother's womb.
M. Laitman: What, it's just?
Student: I'm not sure, it receives by annulment, the embryo in its mother's womb receives what its mother eats.
M. Laitman: He annuls himself, and for that reason he can be like the mother. That's the same state.
Comment (Petah Tikva Center): (10:20) When it rises and becomes like it, it becomes like it, so it receives what it receives. Rising means it is bestowing.
M. Laitman: Yes. You have something to add?
Comment (Petah Tikva Center): (10:37) Concerning the friend’s question, he'll answer it in Item 21-22, but I'd like to ask, if I may.
M. Laitman: Please?
Student: I'm asking about the same place that he asked. The fallen AHP, the one who can adhere to the fallen AHP in the lower phases, is what we call Galgalta Eynaim, right?
M. Laitman: Well?
Student: So now, when the upper phase raises a lower one, it raises the AHP of those Galgalta Eynaim, too?
M. Laitman: Along with the Galgalta Eynaim of the lower one, he raises the AHP of the upper one that were there, fallen.
Student: Yes, they were inactive. So now, Galgalta Eynaim, do they rise higher, still?
M. Laitman: No, not for now.
Student: In the same place?
M. Laitman: Right.
Student: So now, the fallen AHP, can we say that they are vessels of bestowal?
M. Laitman: Why?
Student: We receive them, we perceive them as tasteless, as darkness but when we annul, and they elevate us, then we see the truth, the beauty in them. So basically, they are vessels of bestowal.
M. Laitman: Not for now.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (12:21) YESHSUT is ZAT of Bina, right, the bottom seven of Bina, right? It's the part of Bina whose job is to take care of the lower ones in the womb, right, the uterus? So, the reason this part needs illuminations of Gadlut is to pass he lights onward, not for itself.
M. Laitman: Right?
Student: When the system is in Katnut, this whole part is restricted, right? And after Bina and Tifferet in Malchut of YESHSUT fall down, adhere to ZON, and come back up in Gadlut, which was just asked about. ZON are rewarded with that illumination, why are they rewarded with that same illumination because we said YESHSUT receives light only to pass it down to the lower ones.
M. Laitman: Ye?
Student: So when ZON rise to YESHSUT, they join them, do they also pass the lights to the lower ones?
M. Laitman: That's not their nature.
Student: So why are they rewarded with the same illumination, if its only purpose is to pass it on to the lower ones?
M. Laitman: What do they join for?
Student: ZON? They join YESHSUT.
M. Laitman: YESHSUT., so what's YESHSUT’s purpose?
Student: To tend to the ones below her.
M. Laitman: Well?
Student: But now her lower ones are with her so YESHSUT receives the light and passes it to them.
M. Laitman: Yes?
Student: But they don't pass it on, so it's like?
M. Laitman: No, no, they don't pass it on.
Student: So, why are they rewarded with light?
M. Laitman: They are rewarded with light because they ascended but it doesn't obligate them to extend it below. They also don't have a deficiency for it.
Student: You said before that the state of Gadlut happens because of the NRN of the righteous. Aren't they the lower ones?
M. Laitman: NRN of the righteous are the lower ones of YESHSUT, yes.
Student: Of YESHSUT or, also, of ZON?
M. Laitman: ZON and YESHSUT.
Student: So, do they pass a light to them?
M. Laitman: Yes, without that, there's no reason. There's no reason to pass a light.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (14:49) I'm sorry, I still didn't get an answer to the question, for two reasons. One, the example of the mother and child, and the embryo. The embryo doesn't quite receive what the mother receives. It receives what the mother filters for it, it's not the same. Let's drop the examples, I'm talking about lights and vessels. We always say that the definition of light is according to the vessel.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: The illuminations of YESHSUT are illuminations of YESHSUT. A vessel called YESHSUT receives an illumination and defines it as an illumination. Now, something happens to ZON so it, too, can receive the same illumination. So, the question is, what happened to ZON that suddenly qualifies him to receive much greater illuminations? And moreover, how do they remain ZON? We should have said, okay, so now they're YESHSUT, they've also the degree of YESHSUT, they're no longer ZON, they are YESHSUT. This I would understand, the light changed the vessel, so that is clear. But how come ZON, something happens to them, they receive an illumination that's not theirs, and that is much greater than themselves? I still didn't hear an answer to it.
M. Laitman: We'll see the answer. Keep going.
Reading: Item 22. (16:13) “Had It Not Been for Malchut’s Ascent to Bina, ZON Would Not Have Been Worthy of Mochin.”
Here we should know that for themselves, ZON are completely unfit to receive Mochin, since the origin of ZON is below Tabur of AK (see Item 17 above), where Malchut of the quality of judgment rules, which is governed by the force of restriction and is unfit to receive the upper light. Yet, now that Bina and TM of YESHSUT elevated ZON to the degree of YESHSUT, ZON became as the degree of YESHSUT and can receive the upper light as they do.
Question (Petah Tikva Center):(17:20) So, can we define more clearly what it means that vessels from a lower degree rise up? How can that be because each vessel has its own abilities? How can the vessels of ZON, maybe mechanically we can understand, but qualitatively how is that possible? What does it mean?
M. Laitman: The vessels of ZON ascend.
Student: Ascend to receive illuminations from YESHSUT because they are vessels that are unfit for it, unsuitable for it.
M. Laitman: Why?
Student: Because what defines a vessel? Its ability to contain a certain light.
M. Laitman: Right.
Student: This is why they're called a vessel of ZON. How can a vessel of a certain quality suddenly hold a light whose vessel is incapable of holding, containing?
M. Laitman: Why not?
Student: Because we say that it belongs to ZON, it's a certain type of vessels. It has a certain coarseness, I don't understand it much. But what's the difference between one vessel and the other? The difference between one vessel and the other is that one can contain, I don't know, water and the other can contain rice, they can't contain both. So, how can one type of vessel contain a light that is higher than itself?
M. Laitman: You don't have an answer for that.
Student: Maybe I don't understand what is a vessel. What defines a vessel and distinguishes it from a different vessel?
M. Laitman: As much as it has volume to sustain that upper light.
Student: Okay, so with that definition, if we take a vessel of the type of ZON, it's not supposed to contain. It doesn't have the volume to contain the light of YESHSUT but here it says that it receives this light, nonetheless. The light, it was annulled, it annulled itself, adhered to YESHSUT, YESHSUT elevated it to receive high lights. What does that mean? How can ZON suddenly, by annulling itself and adhering to the upper one, it still remains ZON in terms of the vessel, its volume remains the same.
M. Laitman: But it annulled.
Student: Okay, but what does it mean, what happens to the vessel when it's annulled?
M. Laitman: That now it can be in the place of the upper one.
Student: Why? Okay, so first of all, what does it mean that the vessel annulled itself?
M. Laitman: The vessel annulled itself, it depends which vessel we're talking about. Here, it annulled itself from being a vessel of reception.
Student: What remains of it?
M. Laitman: Remains a vessel of bestowal. It is still part of Bina.
Student: I'll let other friends ask.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (21:09) What in the descent of Bina and TM to ZON raises ZON or causes them to rise or to change?
M. Laitman: Bina and TM that descend to ZON to the degree below them, give the vessels of the lower one a possibility to connect to them and then rise to the upper one.
Student: By what? ZON, do they feel Bina and TM as light?
M. Laitman: No.
Student: So, what happens there between them? What happens between ZON and TM that allows ZON to adhere and to rise?
M. Laitman: First of all, when ZAT of Bina and TM descend to ZON, so they connect between them, right?
Student: They connect on what basis?
M. Laitman: They reach the same degree, ZAT of Bina.
Student: But even on the same degree, they're different because ZAT of Bina and TM descended, there, and is ZON already in that degree. In other words, they don't have any possibility of being higher up. ZAT of Bina and TM were at a higher degree, they simply came down to ZON, now.
M. Laitman: Yes?
Student: So, it creates a difference between them. So, I'm asking, based on what do they connect, what allows them to connect now?
M. Laitman: It's more than once that you see different vessels on the same degree. The question is what bothers them to be in that same degree? Maybe on the contrary, maybe the fact that they're different, it brings them closer and invites them to ascend.
Student: What is the thing that enables the ascent?
M. Laitman: What enables the ascent is the purpose, the goal.
Student: So, because Bina and TM descended, now ZON have a different relation to the goal?
M. Laitman: Bina and TM descended, and the upper part remained. So, there's no difference between it and the vessels of bestowal.
Student: Do they change their relation to the goal because now Bina and TM descended to it?
M. Laitman: No, I'd say not.
Student: So, what enables it to rise nevertheless, what does it mean that it rises, ZON rise?
M. Laitman: When ZON rise, they receive from Bina and TM by annulling and get forces to rise from it.
M. Laitman: Let's read.
Reading Item 23: (24:51) “Now you can thoroughly understand why our sages said”
Now you can thoroughly understand why our sages said (Beresheet Rabbah, end of Portion 12): “In the beginning, He contemplated creating the world with the quality of judgment,” that is, with Malchut of the first restriction, which is the quality of judgment. And “world” should be understood as ZON of Atzilut, called “world.” And it should also be understood as “this world,” which receives from ZON of Atzilut. This is because all that is received in ZON of Atzilut can be received by people in this world, and all that is not received in ZON is not received by people in this world, as we cannot receive above the degree of ZON.
Hence, since the root of ZON is below Tabur of AK, where Malchut of the quality of judgment rules, they cannot receive the upper light and exist, since they are under the restriction in Malchut. All the more so, this world cannot exist.
This is the meaning of “He saw that the world does not exist, he preceded the quality of mercy and associated it with the quality of judgment.” This means that He elevated Malchut of each degree, which is the quality of judgment, to the Bina of the degree, which is the quality of mercy. It follows that Malchut of YESHSUT rose to Bina of YESHSUT, by which Bina and TM of YESHSUT fell to the degree below it, which is ZON, and clung to them.
For this reason, during the Gadlut of YESHSUT, when Malchut descended from Bina of YESHSUT and returned to her place, and the three vessels Bina and TM of YESHSUT returned to their place, YESHSUT, as in the beginning, they took the ZON that were attached to them along with them and raised them to the degree of YESHSUT. Thus, ZON became like the degree of YESHSUT, worthy of receiving the upper light like YESHSUT (see above Item 21). For this reason, they receive the upper light of YESHSUT and give to this world, and now the world can exist.
But had it not been for the association of the quality of judgment with the quality of mercy, meaning if Malchut of YESHSUT had not risen to Bina of YESHSUT, Bina and TM of YESHSUT would not have fallen to ZON, and there would be no possibility for ZON to rise to YESHSUT. In that state, they would not be able to receive the upper light for the world, and the world would not be able to exist. Thus, we have explained the issue of Malchut’s ascent to Bina.
M. Laitman: Clear or not? Only one doesn't understand, right, our professor. And you don't either, also you. So, those who usually, the successful ones, don't get it, what's going on? You're with them, that's clear. So, let's hear your questions, please?
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (29:45) So basically what ZON learned from Bina and TM of YESHSUT that fell to them is to bestow, this is what they learned from them?
M. Laitman: Well?
Student: I'm asking is this what they learned?
M. Laitman: I don't know, I want to hear.
Student: The question repeated many times why after they fall to ZON and ZON rides with them what attaches them together?
M. Laitman: He glues them by this that he can bestow to them what ZON are lacking.
Student: Can I give an example: Let's say a mother speaks to a baby in baby language because of the connection between them she descended to his degree. Now, when the father speaks to the mother about the mortgage, the mother speaks to the father in the language of adults. So, when the baby rises with them, he understands their language? And it's the example, why when the parts of ZON rise with them suddenly after they descended to them when the ZON rises with them why do they rise with them?
M. Laitman: The upper one that fell to the lower one becomes like him. And now the lower one that rises to the upper one becomes like the upper one.
Student: There was a different possibility when the upper one descends to the lower one it becomes like it. Now it rises back up, it rises back up, why did the lower one rise with it?
M. Laitman: But if there's changes in one and he's connected to the other, how can it not affect the other?
Student: So, what's the influence? What happened to ZON as a result of being together with YESHSUT that fell to them?
M. Laitman: What happened to that same part of YESHSUT that was in ZON?
Student: Or what happened to ZON because YESHSUT was with them? What happened, they now learned to bestow?
M. Laitman: Yes, yes.
Student: So, they suddenly learned to bestow all of a sudden?
M. Laitman: No, but the fact that the upper one is now going to bestow that affects YESHSUT and ZON.
Student: How, what changed? What were they before, what are they now?
M. Laitman: The vessels of YESHSUT that were in ZON are vessels of bestowal and they bestowed. How did it affect ZON?
Student: I think that's what we're all asking.
M. Laitman: Well, what?
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (32:58) I think, maybe to translate: What is an ascent and descent? Maybe an ascent is to receive a bigger screen in which there is more greatness of the Creator. So, maybe something happened there that ZON descended to Bina and TM of YESHSUT descended to ZON and gave them somehow, I don't know how, a bigger screen, a bigger ability to bestow. And thus, allowed them to rise with them afterwards.
M. Laitman: Yes?
Student: So, the question is now more accurate: How do they give them a screen? How do they give them a greater force that allows them to rise with them, afterwards?
M. Laitman: From the connection, I guess.
Student: Through the connection but how? How does the upper one give a screen to the lower one that enables it to rise with it?
M. Laitman: If, in the lower one, there's a deficiency to the screen of the upper one.
Student: In the lower one, there's a moment before the upper one, what the lower one can do is annul before the upper one. And it says, do whatever you want with me, and then the upper one, somehow, gives it a screen. How does it happen?
M. Laitman: I’m not concentrating anymore. Well, maybe someone can help you. Choose someone who can help you.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (34:59) We say that the AHP of the upper one descends to the lower one. And the Galgalta Eynaim of the lower one becomes adhered to the AHP of the upper one. So, when it rises the Galgalta Eynaim of the lower one of ZON and YESHSUT Galgalta Eynaim of ZON rises to YESHSUT, right? But YESHSUT descended to Galgalta Eynaim of ZON with its AHP. Nevertheless, the question remains, how vessels of Galgalta Eynaim of the lower one receives the same lights that are received in the AHP of the upper one because it rises only with its Galgalta Eynaim?
M. Laitman: Yes?
Student: How can it be because there's no equivalence of form even in the vessels because it rises with vessels of Galgalta Eynaim. And it descended to it with vessels of an AHP. And now, maybe, the answer is, and if we can make a precision here. In item 21, at the end of it, he says, “and they also receive the same illuminations in Mochin that are fit for the degree of YESHSUT”.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: What do the Galgalta Eynaim of the lower ones receive? An illumination, which we know is a weaker light, because it's in an illumination of Hassadim. Then we can understand that the lower one annuls itself and rises only with the Galgalta Eynaim, and receives an illumination from the upper one, which is in Hassadim and adhered to the upper one. Or, it receives Mochin, he says, that are fit for the degree of YESHSUT which is already light. So that's even less clear, how can their Mochin be received in the Galgalta Eynaim of the lower one, it rose to the upper one.
M. Laitman: Let him answer you.
Comment (Petah Tikva Center): (37:32) I think the principle of the lower one and upper one, it doesn't matter, whoever. As long as it's released from its AHP, it causes an ascent, meaning after the quality of mercy was associated, finds a taste in bestowal. It can make that scrutiny in his eyes that only in desires of bestowal. Because it doesn't want to receive flavor, Galgalta Eynaim, and then it identifies the deficiency of the upper one, like a gift that he received to identify the deficiency. The deficiency of the upper one wants to bestow upon the upper one. through the AHP of the upper one. Then the upper one is released from its AHP, it can work with Galgalta Eynaim. It's the Galgalta Eynaim toward the AHP of the upper one, in that way, the whole system rises.
M. Laitman: Okay.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (38:37) There's the fall to the lower degree, it's not clear why it rises. He writes, “therefore upon the arrival of the time of Gadlut, Malchut departed Bina of YESHSUT returns to her own place”. He doesn't write why, he writes that the time of Gadlut arrived. Previously, when we learned before, there was a prayer, so there was a deficiency, so there was an ascent. He doesn't write that there was a prayer he writes, it's the time of Gadlut that came, suddenly, there's a time for Gadlut. Why all of a sudden, and from where did that time of Gadlut come? But it's a fact, that's what he writes.
M. Laitman: Yes, well?
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (39:31) Maybe to try to simplify it: After the second restriction, the lower one understood that it can't bestow in the AHP. So, it has to restrict itself because it doesn't have a connection with the upper one, this way. It has to perform an act, as a result of which the upper one feels its desire to use. Or maybe we can say that, by the quality of mercy bestowed upon it, it feels the desire of the upper one to bestow upon the lower one. So, it acquires a desire to bestow, and that's the meaning of the ZAT of Bina and Tifferet of the Malchut descending to ZON because the quality of the upper one is a desire to bestow. So, it receives a desire to bestow, a new desire, in the same vessels that were only the will to receive, which he decided not to use. So now it has a new desire in the same vessels, it can use them, it receives the desire to bestow. Then when the Malchut descends, it can even receive in order to bestow and truly realize this operation.
M. Laitman: Interesting.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (41:06) What's the difference between a degree and a Partzuf?
M. Laitman: Each Partzuf is a degree.
Student: But there still should be a difference.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, what is the difference?
M. Laitman: A degree is a Partzuf that, with its coarseness, with its structure, it perceives, or grasps, the desire of the upper one that it receives from the upper one. And fills it with bestowal, and then it becomes a degree and a bestower.
Student: It's like in a degree, there can be Rosh and a Guf of, let's say, a 20-year-old? And legs and hands of, it's like there's organs that connect to some value but they're not similar. And on the Partzuf, it's the same size or?
M. Laitman: Yes, to the same extent yes.
Student: So, the degree, how to understand that there are five parts that let the vessel receive the light but they're not equal. They're not on the same extent, like you said, value.
M. Laitman: Why, how can that be?
Student: That's all we asked, how could it be that ZON are together with YESHSUT on the same degree? What allows that connection between them?
M. Laitman: Because ZON and YESHSUT are connected to each other.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (44:05) In 21, he wrote when Malchut ascended to Bina, he writes that in the Katnut of the degree, when Malchut rises to Bina. Bina and TM departed to the degree below, he became one with the degree below to them because the upper one that goes to the lower one becomes like him. So, he says that Malchut that rises to Bina is the ending Malchut.
M. Laitman: Yes?
Student: So, if we look at it as a Partzuf, the ending Malchut in the Partzuf, means ends the Toch of the Partzuf?
M. Laitman: No, there is no such thing.
Student: So where is it?
M. Laitman: It should be at the Sium, at the end.
Student: What does it mean that she rises, it means it empties from light?
M. Laitman: Yes, what Partzuf are you speaking about?
Student: In general, about the structure, how it works, not specifically.
M. Laitman: By what does Malchut ascend?
Student: The screen refines?
M. Laitman: So, and then, what happens?
Student: Then it can't receive in the same desires in order to bestow, anymore, and it says I can only be in Hassadim and mercy.
M. Laitman: Okay.
Question (Kyiv 1): (46:07) The process of Malchut rising to Bina and descending, Katnut and Gadlut. Is that a universal model of the work of the Partzuf, also from above downward?
M. Laitman: Yes, in principle, yes.
Student: The Kabbalist that attains from below, upward, he goes through it in every degree?
M. Laitman: No.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (46:53) I wanted to scrutinize the connection between the upper one and the lower one, it's two degrees. In the state of Katnut, there's Galgalta Eynaim in action, and AHP is restricted? It says that it's fallen.
M. Laitman: Who is in what?
Student: When the state is in Katnut, the upper one is in Katnut, and also the lower one is in Katnut.
M. Laitman: Yes?
Student: So, I'm asking is there a connection between Galgalta Eynaim of the upper and lower or not? Or only through Galgalta Eynaim, through AHP?
M. Laitman: There is a connection between Galgalta Eynaim of the upper one and the Galgalta Eynaim of the lower one.
Student: So how is it expressed, how can you define it?
M. Laitman: In Katnut, yes.
Student: In Katnut, so in the state of Katnut, also Galgalta Eynaim of the lower one, have contact with the AHP of the upper one?
M. Laitman: Galgalta Eynaim of the lower one with the AHP of the upper one, yes, there is a connection.
Student: How do they work? The Galgalta Eynaim of the lower one, they want to use the desire of the upper one. They want to understand the desire of the upper one. It's like one Partzuf, the Galgalta Eynaim of the lower one is working with the desire of the upper one.
M. Laitman: Yes?
Student: Then his desire to attain the Rosh of the upper one causes the ascent, is that not right?
M. Laitman: No.
Student: What's the trigger, what's the force that motivates this process that the system starts moving.
M. Laitman: It comes from above.
Student: Or we say from below, That there's a raising MAN of one of the lower ones. Or does it matter why it's happening right now?
M. Laitman: Well, let's say so.
Student: On an emotional side: The lower one annuls himself, he doesn't care of his desires. He wants to bestow to the upper one.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, this means that Galgalta Eynaim of the lower one connects to the AHP of the upper one?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: When he rises, he also connects his degree to, it's like he is saying, ascend to the Rosh of the upper one.
M. Laitman: It rises to the Rosh of the upper one.
Student: And he understands how he can use his AHP on his original degree. He pass his light there, the screen.
M. Laitman: Yes. That's it?
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (49:44) Galgalta Eynaim of the lower one receives its light from the AHP of the upper one, or Galgalta Eynaim of the upper one?
M. Laitman: From the AHP of the upper one.
Student: When Malchut descends to her place, the light enters the AHP of the upper one, and how does it go to Galgalta Eynaim of the lower one? By refining and expanding again through the Partzufim?
M. Laitman: No, I wouldn't say that. It simply passes from Galgalta Eynaim of the upper one to the AHP.
Student: How, how does it go? What does it mean, he passes through?
M. Laitman: Just like any light, it spreads from above, downwards.
Student: When the light passes from above downward, it cascades through the vessels?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Until it reaches the Sium of the Malchut?
M. Laitman: Well, let's put it this way.
Student: How does it go to the next degree?
M. Laitman: That's already not simple, there has to be a deficiency that will draw it lower down to a lower Partzuf.
Student: Like a suckling of Galgalta Eynaim?
M. Laitman: Yes, you can say that.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (51:20) The principle, here, that a regular Partzuf has ten Sefirot from above downward.
M. Laitman: Yes?
Student: When Malchut descends, it stops working in part of the Partzuf. So, in the whole system such an action happens, and what he describes here is there's a way to work horizontally. To complete the ten Sefirot, horizontally, as Galgalta Eynaim, supposedly with the AHP, they connect horizontally. I'm asking, for instance, if we work in the Ten?
M. Laitman: Yes?
Student: When I stop working with the vessels of reception and decide that I only want to restrict myself to bestow in the Ten. So, that actually opens me to connect on Ten Sefirot ,horizontally? Supposedly, to turn the Ten into a part that is upper towards me, towards my vessels of bestowal. That I only want to work through them I can supposedly understand how on a higher degree, we'll be able to work in a better quality and a higher Partzuf? Let's say I'm on a certain degree, now, and I decide to restrict myself from reception and only want to work in the Ten in bestowal.
M. Laitman: Yes?
Student: In what he describes here, the lower Partzuf understands this and supposedly the upper Partzuf also stops working in this way, and then his upper part descends to it.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: I understood that there's like a process here that they connect, the Galgalta Eynaim of the lower one with the upper one.
M. Laitman: Yes?
Student: So, in the Ten, each one of the friends can do this with the other friends?
M. Laitman: It is possible but it's work.
Student: It's work.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: I turn the friends into the upper one, then I can rise with them?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (54:22) It's written, “he saw the world cannot exist, so he, the Malchut of every degree, which is the measure of judgment, to the Bina of the degree”. So, all the Malchuts in the system rose to Bina at the same time, and that ends all the cascading from below upward?
M. Laitman: For the time being.
Student: For the time being or is it done?
M. Laitman: No, no, no, no, afterwards it comes down.
Student: Before that, he writes that this whole process is in order to create the point of this world, with people and so on.
M. Laitman: Okay, he writes this way, in general.
Student: But it sounds like it's something very central. How that the incorporation of mercy and judgment was to create this point of this world, you get some illumination from ZON only.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: What is that, what is this world? It's not us?
M. Laitman: No, you're going sideways, and you're taking everyone with you.
Student: Sorry.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (55:36) He says in the state of Katnut, when the AHP of the upper one falls because they're not working in the state of Katnut, they're annulled. So, then the lower one, if he annuls himself, he first needs to annul in order to want mercy. And then the upper one can raise him upward, and then he can acquire the qualities. This is the point that we, with our opposite nature in this world, if we see a dark state, it seems as if we're getting that from the upper one because we have completely different qualities. And if we change, as you said, that it's work, if we do this work of annulment and incorporation, so we can rise.
M. Laitman: Okay.
Reader: (56:39) When ZON ascends with Bina and TM to YESHSUT, so ZON and Bina and TM are considered one unit.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: How does the light divide in that unit? Where does the light of Nefesh, Ruach, how does it divide in that Partzuf when there's Galgalta Eynaim and AHP, only in an organization that wasn't there before because AHP is from the upper one, Galgalta Eynaim is from the lower one.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, how do you set the light up in that unit, now that's connected? The AHP and Galgalta Eynaim, how is the light divided in each one of them?
M. Laitman: It depends on the deficiency in each of them.
Student: What deficiency is in Galgalta Eynaim?
M. Laitman: The one who demands the filling from them.
Student: I'm trying to understand, the light of Nefesh clothes in the Galgalta Eynaim? Or does it clothe in the AHP that were fallen and now are rising?
M. Laitman: All the lights that should now come, come through the AHP.
Student: And the Malchut passes to the Keter of the lower one? How do they even remain, they have a different relation. They have no upper and lower, they're already in the same degree?
M. Laitman: We need to see how they are connected.
Student: What is the form that they're connected, what's the relations between them?
M. Laitman: So, there's a connection, here, between how they are by nature and how they are in terms of how they operate.
Student: Then several lights clothe in them?
M. Laitman: No.
Student: So, according to what connection does the light clothe, according to nature or the action?
M. Laitman: According to the operation.
Student: And then it works out that the AHP is what impacts, and bestows, to Galgalta Eynaim?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (50:10) If we can summarize all of this: What he explains about the sharing of the measure of mercy and judgment. That the system is made of layers, layers, and if in every layer there are vessels of reception and vessels of bestowal that are not connected to what's onward, then the vessels of reception, they're just like a block. And everything that happens, from everything we learn now, is that a connection took place between these upper layers learning how to bestow to the next level below them, and that's how the light can flow from above down? As we say, Malchut of the upper is the Keter of the lower one. Is that what actually is born in this whole process?
M. Laitman: Yes, yes, this doesn't change.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:00:11) What is the prayer of the lower one to the upper one? What's the prayer that has an influence?
M. Laitman: A force, it wants to receive a force, a strength from above. To help it draw the lights and extend them all the way down.
Student: What does it want to receive this force for, for the upper one, could you say it that way? So that there will be a connection, can we say that we can pray for the connection of, how should I say this. For there to be a connection in the upper one?
M. Laitman: No, he wants to receive the light so as to have the strength to afterwards pass it on to the Creator because he received only for Him.
Student: What does it mean that he received it only for himself?
M. Laitman: Why does the lower one receive lights?
Student: In order to ascend?
M. Laitman: Well?
Student: So, what does it mean that he receives the lights for himself?
M. Laitman: For the upper one?
Student: In order to receive from Him?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: And that influences the upper one, as well?
M. Laitman: It influences the upper one.
Question (Asia): (01:02:00) Can we say that reason is the previous vessels and above reason is the new vessels?
M. Laitman: It may actually be so, but it is for one who knows how to work this way. That he was within reason and now rose to above reason; in other words, you can't swap what happened before now with above reason, and below reason or within reason.
Reader: (01:02:48) We have announcements to conclude with a song.
Song: (01:05:35)