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Part 3:

Baal HaSulam. The Arvut [Mutual Guarantee]. #18

Reading (00:14 - 01:37) #18 “Therefore, the Tana described the Arvut as two people who were on a boat, and one of them began to drill a hole in the boat..”

1.S. (01:38) How can anyone even hinder me from advancing, as it says here, that we will both drown. We’re talking about the fact that they don't need to love me but I need to love the friend?

R. Wait, I don’t get what you’re saying, we are together in the same boat and if I drill a hole in the boat and water will start filling the boat and the boat will start sinking then are we both in danger or not?

S. Yes, but we asked you about this topic in previous lessons and from your answer we got impression that we can stand against opposite every hole that is creating the boat; maybe I'm not asking correctly, anything that happens in the ten, any problem that occurs is an opportunity for me for to rise to faith above reason?

R. Yes?

S. That no matter, well maybe I should rephrase my question better?

R. Okay, we have to work on the wholeness of the boat: that our Kli will be as whole as possible, according to our degree, according to our understanding that is revealed to us. And precisely to according to the intensity of the ten, the Creator then calculates with us, not with any one, but with the ten together.

2. S. (03:32) Here it says that I drown myself, my future self?

R. Yourself and the others.

3. S. (03:50) I don't quite understand, what does it mean that I drill a hole spiritually?

R. That you are not worrying about connection among the friends.

4. S. (04:07) He says here, “then by their actions they are creating an iron fence, iron wall that prevents the observance of Torah from beginning to fully observe the Torah and mitzvot in the measure of their words”. What iron wall, what is he talking about, who is doing it?

R. A person that doesn't want to reach Arvut with the others, he spoils everyone.

S. What is this iron wall or fence that he's talking about?

R. The fence between the ten and the upper light, that you need to make sure that, and care for it doesn't appear and here they're not guarding the fence.

S. So in Bnei Baruch, do we manage to remove this fence?

R. I don't know, you need to ask that yourselves.

5. S. (05:10) This is about the desire to receive in order to bestow, right, so it turns out that if I tell my will to receive, if you don't care for the friends, if you don't worry about the friends, we are going to die, and there’s also a possibility that I will persuade it to be the giver, bestow?

R. Yes, but it's better to say no to the will to bestow but to the desire to receive, this will be clearer: what do I have to give the friends?

6. S. (05:56) If I feel a big descent, how can I hold myself to the friends without bringing them down, without making a hole in the boat?

R. Only to connect to the friend, there is no possibility to do any other act of correction.

7. S. (06:37) If I make some light-hearted action towards the ten, can this be called ‘drilling a hole’ because when we asked about it in the past, you said we should relate to such behavior in a merciful way, patiently like towards a child who makes a mistake?

R. Yes according to our spiritual degree; whoever, like a young child that I can forgive, and an adult I won’t forgive.

S. But at first, we forgive it and then we learn how to say “fool, what are you doing?” but with love so that it will be accepted correctly?

R. We need to treat every person according to their degree.

8. S. (07:47) At this stage when we haven’t yet achieved spirituality, how do we recognize this state of ‘drilling a hole in the boat’, maybe we are drilling holes and we don't even recognize it?

R. Each one who isn’t acting in favor of connection in the group is drilling a hole.

S. If we identify such a state of drilling a hole, how do we take it correctly?

R. We come to that same person and explain to them what they’ve done and together with them, we try and seal up this hole.

9. S. (08:6) Who is drilling, actually, and what is this drilling and could it have a special purpose this drilling for advancement towards the Creator?

R. It's possible that he's doing it intentionally, drilling this hole in the boat, that he wants us all to drown in the sea in order to receive, and then we’ll leave spirituality. We’ll go instead, say to well, regular religion, and start believing in all kinds of sages and so on. Or is it possible that he's just not aware of his actions, this same person who is pulling us towards this drilling a hole in the boat.

S. Could it be that the drilling comes from the Creator because everything comes from the Creator, that He has a certain meaning with it?

R. The Creator, through human beings, brings some such actions in order to correct us. The fact that a hole is been discovered the boat then of course that hole is already there but only now it’s being revealed so we are able to correct it.

S. What can we do when we see this hole?

R. Unite between each other, connect between each other; the holes are like connections between us.

S. So it's not the friend that is doing it, we shouldn't remove the friend, we should working on our in our own connection?

R. Okay, well, think about it.

10. S. (10:51) Rabash gives us advice and he says, “if we drilled a hole”, but if I understand correctly, that I see if I drill the hole, I have to judge myself and try to ask for correction for myself; if I see that the friend is drilling the hole, my work should be the opposite, I should try to justify him and nevertheless find the problem within me?

R. I do not think it’s really like you're saying, but we need to locate the reason because and to do such so that there won’t be any holes in the ship.

11 S. (11:41) Is my correction to demand and help all the friends to be in Arvut or only demand it of myself?

R. To demand from everyone, to demand from everyone, the one that asked me about the hole in the boat, we need to understand: there are in such calculations here that I don't see the matter or that I want to cover it up, no. We need to correct these holes between us, that's called “the side of the boat”, connection between us, and we want to make sure that that will not happen.

S. When you say ‘fix the holes’, what does it mean to fix the holes in the connection between us and the relation between us? Before you told me that I have to relate to every friend according to his vessels, how do I make the correction of these connections between us?

R. The correction between the connection between us, what are you asking?

S. But if I relate to each and every friend according to his state, how do I see each and every friend according to the state that he is in, how do I make corrections, there?

R. You want to correct the connection with him so there will be no hole.

12. S. (13:33) I want to make a clarification for the sake of the lesson: first of all, what we understand from “the boat”, is this mutual bestowal in our connection?

R. Repeat, please?

S. Can we say that the boat is the mutual connection that we have among our connection?

R. Yes, correct, so what’s the question?

S. When we talk about ‘drilling it’, can we say that ‘drilling’ means that the desires that we cannot relate to its source, we want to use it for reception and we often lack in that bestowal.

R. Yes, yes, yes, we slice the connection between us.

S. So I see that in every little action inside the ten, I have to go according to the restriction, masach and Ohr Hozer, and even in the little things.

R. Yes, right, truth, correct, every time we need to strengthen and strengthen and strengthen the connection between us and that way we will place our Kli to be ready to reveal the Creator in its increasing and growing lights.

S. How are we going to work with the connection outside the ten, are we going to work with them through the ten or not through the ten?

R. That's not for now, it doesn't matter now, we need to learn in the ten how we form the correction, and then from that we will learn how to do it outside of the ten.

S. Personally I feel that somehow I am having’ the drill’ in my vessel because of the desire of the zivug upon masach, and they also drill, they also harm the connection in the ten from outside.

R. No, if it's not my friends in the ten then they cannot harm the ten.

S. If they’re friends from Bnei Baruch, from the Kli?

R. Also not, the ten is the highest possible thing for me, others can’t harm it. We will talk about it later.

13. S. (17:05) I hear you said before that even a friend that drills a hole in the boat is help against you, what exactly is the correction that I need to do here?

R. We need to to thank the Creator for locating the place of correction, that it was there before but only now we can correct it, that is why we are trying to be connected to such an extent in order to seal this hole on the side of the boat, which is the connection between us.

S. I'm not trying to correct the friends I'm just trying to correct the connection between us, is that right?

R. Yes, yes, that's the whole thing.

14. S. (18:19) If I see a hole in the boat, should I report it to the ten or just wait for this whole to be plugged, to be sealed by iteself?

R. We need to reveal this hole and we need to seal it, which is to correct the good connection among all the friends.

S. Even if it's a hole between two friends that I see?

R. Yes, yes you must.

S. And if we don't do it, it’s like robbing from the ten?

R. It’s not theft although in a way you could say that it is, but it’s not good, it's not good.

15. S. (19:17) We learned that usually our whole influence on the friends is though personal example but if personal example not enough with this allegory of the one drilling a hole, he doesn’t wait for a personal example, he says, what are you doing, we’re drowning? So when do we respond this way, when do we respond that way?

R. I don't know, we are still lacking some information here; try to connect to one another as much as possible and then you will see what to do.

16. S. (20:03) Not giving a hundred percent, is that also called ‘drilling a hole’?

R. Yes, yes, yes, this is why we need to care one hundred percent for the friends and only by that we can reach Arvut and correction.

17. S. (20:44) If I understand correctly: the ten in Arvut is a new living body outside of the system, it’s like a new world. It’s true concern for a new life and it grows and develops and grows stronger through the force of correction and connection without any calculations, and this is how the screen opens for advancing of the ladder that leads to adhesion to the Creator?

R. It is all correct, all correct.

18. S. (21:32) Can one say that the boat is like an integrated system where every connection is essential and if one piece is missing the whole structure fails?

R. Yes, yes, it is like in a ship, if there is a hole in the side of the ship then it is not good, same here.