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Daily Lesson (Morning) May 22, 2024

Part 2: Baal HaSulam. Matan Torah, [The Giving of the Torah], Item 7.

Reader: We're continuing to study the article, Matan Torah, the giving of the Torah of Baal HaSulam. You can find it in the writings of Baal HaSulam or on our sites. We're continuing with Item number 7.:

Reading Matan Toray, Item 7: (00:15) 

But here came the sages of The Zohar and asked why we were not created in this high stature of Dvekut with Him to begin with. What reason did He have to burden us with this labor and burden of creation and the Torah and Mitzvot? They replied, “He who eats that which is not his is afraid to look at his face.” This means that one who eats and enjoys the labor of one’s friend is afraid to look at his face because by doing so he becomes increasingly humiliated until he loses his human form. Because that which extends from His wholeness cannot be deficient, He gave us room to earn our exaltedness by ourselves, through our work in Torah and Mitzvot.

These words are most profound and I have already explained them in my book, Panim uMasbirot on The Tree of Life, Branch One [and in the book, The Study of the Ten Sefirot, Histaklut Pnimit, Part One]. Here I will explain them briefly to make them understandable for all.

M. Laitman: (02:10) Questions?

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (02:13) Each person who does this work of Torah and commandments will eventually reach the degree of Lishma and work for the sake of the Creator?

M. Laitman: I'm responsible for everybody. 

Student: I'm trying to understand.

M. Laitman: You're asking each one that does some kind of work. How do I know? 

Student: What's the condition? Because if that's what He arranged for us, to not be the one who has a bread of shame, then this is the work that we have to do to get the desirable state?

M. Laitman: There's no promise. If you want, engage in this. If you don't, so don't.

Student: If there was something else one could do?

M. Laitman: If this was an obligation and a person would necessarily reach the goal, so it would be given to us like bread and water. 

Student: I'm asking not from the side of the assurance to come down my will to receive, but if there's something else a person needs to do in order to reach the desirable goal?

M. Laitman: Another something. 

Student: Yes. 

M. Laitman: Of course, he explains to us that to reach bestow we need a society for this, a group, and more all kinds of forms of work called commandments.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (03:53) Through bestowal in the Ten, to the society, mutual bestowal between us, do we correct the shame? 

M. Laitman: Do we correct the shame? To the extent that you're prepared to correct it, and also do correct it, so the Creator gradually opens the correct relations in creation. 

Student: There's no work towards Him that we need to correct, but rather in accordance to the relations between us as we change in the Ten? 

M. Laitman: There are commandments between man and place. There are commandments between man and friend. 

Student: In order to correct that shame, it's not enough the work between us, between the friends in the Ten. 

M. Laitman: No. You also need to aim, to aim them to the Creator. Everything you do before the friend, you take into consideration, you think that by this, I can also give contentment to the Creator.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (05:30) He's describing a state here where the friend, if he does, if he labors, and I'm supposed to feel shame from him giving the labor, for him working, and by that giving me a gift, the friend.

M. Laitman:  Let's say so. 

Student: In the relations between us, do I need to feel towards the friend's shame? Is that desirable?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Why should I be ashamed from someone that is laboring, exerting? 

M. Laitman: Feeling shame is worth it.

Student: What's the kind of shame I should feel? 

M. Laitman: That they are better than me. Closer to the Creator. Greater than me.

Student: What's my response to that feeling? 

M. Laitman: You can't determine, but actually the response should be that you want to run after them.

Student: Do I want to give anything back to them? 

M. Laitman: No, they didn't do anything to you personally, maybe yes. So, you have to calculate whether you give back or not, but the main thing is in a normal group, a corrective group, so each one who does something, awakens in the others an awakening to work and to reach in the same work, reach the same summary. 

Student: It's worthwhile for me to truly seek where to feel the shame towards the friend, where he does?

M. Laitman: Could be.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (07:26) Why do we need to search for shame? It's supposed to be there naturally.

M. Laitman: What does that mean? 

Student: Well, if there's the first restriction due to the shame, why do we need to search for it? It's after there to begin with and prevents us from receiving the pleasure. Why are we obligated in the work to search to have shame towards things?

M. Laitman: Because shame shows me where I am different from the Creator. In the end, that's how it is in general. Then I can maybe correct the shame and reach equivalence of form to the Creator. 

Student: There are other desires even like the simplest person, where it doesn't feel shame to receive in them. 

M. Laitman:  Yes. 

Student: Why does that exist? 

M. Laitman: A person is born; he has no shame.

Student: On the other hand, we say that there is a matter of shame that covers everything. It covers the entire desire that exists. If he was in the first restriction, everything was closed, the whole desire was closed up, was restricted. So seemingly, the matter of shame controls all the desires. No, then what? Yes?

M. Laitman: It depends on what state he's in. Because then you have the birth of the souls, the birth of the worlds, and then it turns out that each and every person has some different kind of relation towards all this. 

Student: It's all under that same dome, basically. 

M. Laitman: Yes, and?

Student: So, all the cases and all the different depictions of relation, it's all under the matter of shame. No matter what form, this is how I understand it, because if the shame caused the whole covering of the whole desire, then no matter what incidents were in the cascading of the desire, it should all be under this umbrella of shame. So, it's not clear why there are desires that a person doesn't feel shame in?

M. Laitman: There are desires where a person doesn't feel shame, yes?

Student: Because he already gave, put forth some labor, and covered it already? 

M. Laitman: Could be. There are desires that he's ashamed about. Well, it's hard to know. From birth there aren't such desires and afterwards as much as he grows, so gradually, according to the environment, he gets a feeling towards certain things that that's wrong, or other things that they are allowed. 

Student: It seems like in the work of a person, we say about people that don't have shame for things, we're also angry at them, seemingly that they're not ashamed of what they do, they're harming others, or at the expense of others, as it's written. But if they develop, they start to notice that it's not okay. It's something that kind of develops in a person.

M. Laitman: Right. 

Student: There's development on our behalf, and there's this thing initially, so I'm trying to understand the connection between what was from the first restriction upon us, and how we developed to feel and be in equivalence with this quality. Where do they meet one another? Maybe it's something that needs to be.

M. Laitman: We'll talk about it, I understand.  

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (11:40) Is there something in our study that doesn't have to do with the love of others? Or is everything we do only for the sake of the love of others? 

M. Laitman: The main thing on the path to love of others, because that's the direction of development of all of creation.

Student: Do I need to aim myself towards love of others in every reading of the articles, Rabash, TES?

M. Laitman: If you want to reach your correction, so, yes.

Student: Is that something I truly need to ask directly, or maybe it'll come?

M. Laitman: No, no. You should ask for it directly, and aim for it in each and every commandment, each and every action you do.

Student: That's also the measure that I have to see if I've advanced in love with others. Do I love more or less? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: What is to engage in the love of others in the group, practically? 

M. Laitman: That you want to connect with them, even though your ego, that rejects you from one another, and you all want eventually to overcome that. And how should I say it? To overcome it and connect. 

Student: The missing, putting the love of others in the center, and not to deviate from that. How do I do that? 

M. Laitman: You only put that before you, and you want to draw all the friends into that.

Student: Exactly, how can I draw all the friends into that? Because alone I won't succeed. 

M. Laitman: By dissemination.

Student: Dissemination? 

M. Laitman: Dissemination between the friends, that you explain to them, in words also in your actions. That is the main thing for you. 

Student: Is the love of others something that is apparent to your eyes? 

M. Laitman: Also, that, and also that. 

Student: How do our books help with this? Rabash, the sources, how do they help us truly reach the love of others? 

M. Laitman: These books give us a foundation of nature, the corporeal and spiritual nature. As much as all parts of nature through the Creator are drawn to one connection, to one center. 

Student: Would it be correct to translate everything we learn about faith, faith above reason, to love of others, all the concepts? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (15:00) In the matter of shame, to understand the process, does shame lead to the recognition of evil? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: What leads to shame? 

M. Laitman: What leads to shame? Only the type of my connection with the Ten, and as much as I myself am sensitive to those phenomena of shame in me. 

Student: What will develop in me that sensitivity that will beget shame in me and recognition of evil, etc.?

M. Laitman: There are people that you can cry in their ear and say, be ashamed of yourself and they reach it. And there are people that even the smallest relation from the group moves them a lot. 

Student: If a person is the type that is not moved and doesn't have shame? 

M. Laitman: So, you need to see it as the work for the whole group. 

Student: What is the work towards him? 

M. Laitman: The work of the group on him is to awaken him to a feeling of shame. How it should be, why it comes to us, where does it come from, from the Creator, why does he do it in such a way, and so on. 

Student: How to awaken this shame, what will awaken him here?

M. Laitman: By the Ten that we meet every day and learn, by this we can still help him advance. We can help him advance.

Student: To the feeling of shame? 

M. Laitman: To the feeling of shame. 

Student: It's from examples and actions of friends in the Ten, or is it the light from the study that operates on us? 

M. Laitman: Both. Both. 

Student: If I go out of the boundaries of the Ten for a moment to the society, to humanity, where there's no shame whatsoever? There's no shame. So, without shame, they won't reach the recognition of evil.

M. Laitman: No. 

Student: What will beget shame in a bad kingdom where they don't have the conditions of the Ten and the light? 

M. Laitman: Greater actions and recognition of evil that the Creator works on us.

Student: Blows?

M. Laitman: Well, yes.

Student: Is there another way, not through blows, to evoke shame in people? 

M. Laitman: I don't think so. Well, still you need to try and see in which states they can come.

Student: Education and campaigning, for sure. This can awaken shame? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: And what kind of education needs to be given so that it will awaken shame in them? What's the message that needs to be so that it will cause shame in people? A person in humanity who has no shame from anything, does whatever he wants. What's against that? What needs to be placed before him for him to feel shame against it? 

M. Laitman: The Creator. 

Student: What's the Creator? What here, is the Creator for him? 

M. Laitman: It's this force of nature that demands of us to be opposite of ourselves. 

Student: He doesn't see the Creator, he doesn't feel the Creator, and then he has no shame.

M. Laitman: Correct. But still, gradually he advances. Even Baal HaSulam mentions it somewhere that either he respects the Creator, or he denies to acknowledge Him, something like that.

Student: Only towards the Creator, not towards the society, the shame? 

M. Laitman: Not towards the society. You have a lot of societies that awaken in each and every one. They awaken these kinds of feelings or those kinds of feelings. So we'll talk about it.

Student: How does shame towards humanity not become towards ethics, like the place the Creator before him, as the correct model, as the quality of bestowal, but not for it to be considered as an ethics if you do or you don't do? How to present this correctly?

M. Laitman: I don't understand. How much should you show a person that he developed shame?

Student: We said that we have to give him the value of the Creator?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Against that, he'll see how opposite he is from Him, and he'll feel shame in the recognition of the Creator?

M. Laitman: Right. 

Student: How not to bring him the Creator in the form of religion or ethics or in the way of, in the correct way? 

M. Laitman: We talk about the Creator as a force of nature that appears and that's why towards him, we gradually need to feel how opposite we are to them.

M. Laitman: Okay? For now? For now. Tomorrow. So, let's end here.

Reader: Thank you. Announcements.

Song: (22:50)