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Daily Morning Lesson: May 29, 2025

Part 2: Continuing the Convention With an Ascent. Selected Excerpts from the sources

Reader: We are in the lesson on the subject of “Continuing the convention in an ascent.” We have source excerpts, we continue with excerpt number four. You can find all the text in kabbalahmedia.info as well as Arvut system, study materials tab. So, excerpt number 4, “Continuing the convention in an ascent.” 

Reading: (00:32) 4. Zohar for All. Introduction of The Book of Zohar, “On the Night of the Bride”, 138

“It is a law that the creature cannot receive disclosed evil from Him, for it is a flaw in His glory for the creature to perceive Him as an evildoer, as it is unbecoming of the complete Operator. Hence, when one feels bad, denial of the Creator’s guidance lies upon him to that same extent, and the superior Operator is concealed from him.”

From this we see the necessity of the correction of bestowal: Not only is it impossible to receive the delight and pleasure that has been prepared for us, but there is something here that removes us from faith in Him, and this is the worst!

Thus, the sensation of good and evil in relation to His guidance brings with it the sensation of reward and punishment, for one who exerts to not part from faith in the Creator is rewarded even when he tastes a bad taste in Providence. And if he does not exert, he will have a punishment because he is separated from faith in the Creator. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (02:18) What is this effort not to part from the faith in the Lord even if  you feel bad. In the beginning of the lesson it said that if I feel bad then I am already blemishing my faith in the Creator. So, how does this work together?

M. Laitman: It works out because there is a big difference between what you feel and how you accept it. And so the difference between these two testifies or measures to what extent you have faith in the Creator.

Student: What is my effort? If I feel bad what is the effort I need to make so as to not part from the Creator’s help? Because the Creator gives me His help always.

M. Laitman: You grow stronger all the time in your faith in the Creator.

Student: So, what should I tell myself at that moment when I feel within myself, when I feel inside that I am not exactly close to the Creator? What should I tell myself at that moment? What inner effort should I make?

M. Laitman: Not to be separated. Not to be separated from the Creator’s providence. 

Student: So I should tell myself that every single state I get is for the purpose of my advancement?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (04:27) Now, the opposite state where I’m in faith. How do I have power to work? Ho do I not get lost? Or maybe I don’t need it?

M. Laitman: You have the feeling of the Creator, so the Creator does not disappear from you, then there is nothing more to do but to grow stronger.

Student: Maybe I’m describing some sort of fantasy, I’m not sure, but the way I understand it, if I am in faith in the Lord, then I trust in Him, I believe in Him. I don’t know what it is exactly, but I that there is a force that does everything, I just want to be open toward it. So I lose my power. He does everything and I’m just …

M. Laitman: Well, well.

Student: How do I add something of my own without losing Him?

M. Laitman: By strengthening His feeling.

Student: Okay, so I strengthen His feeling. I reach a state where I adhere to Him and I don’t have the power to do anything except to continue to be adhered to Him, right? Or can you combine the two? 

M. Laitman: No, that is the work to remain adhered to the Creator, no matter in what form if you feel Him, or God forbid, you don’t feel Him at all.

Student: Can we say, maybe, that my work in everything I do in life even, and certainly the work with the friends in the group, but really in everything they do - in living my regular life, doing everything I need to. Maybe, I even develop all sorts of aspirations, but through all of that I need to preserve my connection with Him. It’s the challenge.

M. Laitman: That’s for sure.

Student: But that’s what I should be practicing.

Reader: Let’s continue with excerpt number 5.

Reading: (06:56) 5. Rabash. Article 29 (1986) “Lishma and Lo Lishma”

The descent he has received is for his own good, meaning that he is receiving special treatment, that he was lowered from his state where he thought that he had some wholeness. This is apparent in his agreeing to remain in the current state his whole life.

But now that he sees that he is far from spirituality, he begins to think, “What is really required of me? What should I do? What is the purpose I should achieve?” He sees that he has no power to work, and finds himself in a state of “between heaven and earth.” Then, man’s only strengthening is that only the Creator can help, but by himself, he is doomed.

It was said about this (Isaiah, 4:31): “Yet those who hope for the Lord will gain new strength,” meaning those people who hope for the Creator. This means that they who see that there is no one else in the world who can help them regain strength each time. It follows that this descent is actually an ascent, meaning that this descent that they feel allows them to rise in degree, since “there is no light without a Kli.” 

Reading: (09:17) 5. Rabash. Article 29 (1986) “Lishma and Lo Lishma”

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (11:26) He describes the state called “between heaven and earth”. Can you describe that state?

M. Laitman: He can say how everything is managed - either it's through the upper force or it depends on a person. He doesn't have a grip on what is happening, this is what it means - between heaven and earth.

Student: Now, he says this is a good state, it's an excellent opportunity.

M. Laitman: Yes, it is a good state, because he can ascribe it to himself and add in the exertion.

Student: What do you mean by ascribing it to himself?

M. Laitman: That the state depends on him, and if now the Creator has reminded him about it in such a way, then he needs to add forces and hold on to Providence more.

Student: If he remembers that it's the Creator who reminded him of this. and that he's in a state of ascent?

M. Laitman: Well, actually, yes.

Student: But between the states there is a certain state of disconnection.

M. Laitman: Here we don't see the disconnection, because it seems to the person that he is under the higher Providence and, God forbid, it can disappear or become weaker, and so the state is still not permanent.

Student: Okay, so this is the point - there is a state that is revealed to him, which is between heaven and earth, and the person looks at it and says, oh I'm in the state now, the Creator arranged it for me and now have an opportunity to do something by myself. 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: So it's excellent, he's being taken care of by the Creator and also has the opportunity to do something by himself. It's a blessing, it's a great state, but where is his exertion here?

M. Laitman: His exertion is now not to be separated from the Creator. Earlier there was a good state, seemingly, now it's not quite, right? So, he has to add from himself forces of gripping.

Student: So, he needs to add the previous state to the equation? To say that now I'm like this and I shouldn't lose this?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (15:10) He says that those that hope for the Lord regain new strength. What is that new strength that a person gets when he's in a state where he hopes that for the Creator, that he discovers that only the Creator can help him?

M. Laitman: I think that when we feel the lack in Providence it is only in order for us to add of ourselves the grip on it,  and here a person should be not between heaven and earth, as he writes, but rather he should be standing on the earth but also holding on to the heavens.

Student: The goal is mostly to hold on to the power of heavens in that state and not the power of the earth. Is that what helps me regain strength? There's a state where one regains strength, but you said, it's not exactly the state between heaven and earth, that's what I heard, but rather he needs to hold on more to the heaven than the earth in that state, right?

M. Laitman: But he feels himself between heaven and earth, we're talking about Providence. Whether it is clear to him that he's receiving it from above or it's just according to one's nature.

Student: According to what Rabash writes here, in that state it is clear to the person that he depends on the grace of the heavens, if I understand what Rabash writes here.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So, he replaces his own power of will with the heavens, the force of the heavens. Is that the state?

M. Laitman: It says that he sees himself that he has no power to work and he finds himself in a state of “between heaven and earth”.

Student: Yes, and then he hopes for the Creator and he continues in the article, he sais, I hope for the Creator.

M. Laitman: And he sees that to grow stronger in his faith in the Creator this is what he has.

Student: And then he regains strength, he replaces his own well to receive with the force of bestowal, the force of faith?

M. Laitman: Then he adds the power of faith.

Student: And he adds that from within himself, or is it something the Creator gives him? From within himself?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (19:08) He says that he was lowered because he agreed to remain in his current state for the rest of his life. 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: In the state of ascent is there a different approach one can take other than to want to remain in that state for the rest of his life? Is there anything else a person could do?

M. Laitman: What can happen if he's in adhesion and he justifies the Creator, so seemingly, there is nothing more to do. So he wants to remain that way his whole life in that same state.

Student: Can he, by himself, look for something by which to bestow upon the Creator?

M. Laitman: If no deficiency awakens in him then he can't.

Student: So he must wait for a descent? It seems like that's not a good state.

M. Laitman: Why is it not good?

Student: Because he does nothing.The Creator does everything, and he's an adhesion with the Creator, but it sounds like he has to be thrown down. He received the descent because he agreed to remain the way he is for the rest of his life. But the person bestows contentment through his work not just staying as he is, right? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: So he needs to wait for the Creator to send him work to do? Can't he search for something by himself? Is it always a passive thing, the descent?

M. Laitman: It's shown that he's deficient in some way? 

Student: No. 

M. Laitman: So how can he do something there for? From where will he take a lack for a higher state? 

Student: Then he has nothing to do. 

M. Laitman: He has nothing to do.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (21:28) Regarding hoping for the Creator, what does it mean to hope for the Creator?

M. Laitman: To feel more clearly how and to what extent the Creator is operating on him. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (22:03) During the descent what goal should a person set for himself, what yearning?

M. Laitman: In the state of descent a person should feel how far he is from the Creator and to what extent he can respond to this correctly.

Student: The ascent, the new connection that the Creator opens to him, is that according to the measure, the intensity of yearning that he acquired during the descent?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: And the ascent, is it predetermined or does it really depend on the measure of yearning that he accumulates during the descent?

M. Laitman: The descent appears to him according to the gap that he feels between the state of wholeness and the present state.

Student: Yes, but when he feels a descent how does he drive the maximum of yearning and discernment towards his coming ascent? From that, so that from at least as far as he can see, he will not be repeating states he went through already. How to derive the most from the descent when he's undergoing?

M. Laitman: Both the ascents and the descents come from the Creator. Therefore, we should always be directed to Him, to the upper force. If I'm not for myself who is for me, something like that.

Student: Yearning, what is a person's work in building up this yearning, and what is the Creator's role here?

M. Laitman: This is a result of the states that a person goes through.

Student: So he needs to be tracking these states, to be close to them?

M. Laitman: Of course, otherwise how will he know what he needs to do?

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (25:09) It turns out that in the beginning of the path ascent and descent that's a kind of gauge, a person measures them according to his will receive. I feel good, I feel bad - that's his gauge. I feel good - means I am in an ascent, I feel bad - it means I am in a descent. And then we come to study and, gradually, we come to understand that what we actually need to find is just connection with the Creator. And then, suddenly, the state where I'm in a descent, I start using it as a kind of indication, a kind of sign, that the Creator sent me now, where he says - come, contact Me. And from that state a person can begin to pray, can ask, and maybe even give thanks, because the Creator is suddenly communicating with him and then this descent is no longer a descent, it becomes an ascent. 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So what is the point of this confusion where I don't even know if I'm in an ascent or descent?

M. Laitman: So that you scrutinize it.

Student: And what is the outcome of the scrutiny? What do I gain from it?

M. Laitman: You scrutinized, so that you will reach a request for adhesion in whatever state you're in.

Student: If in any state I am also asking for adhesion, then I can say I'm in an ascent because my goal is to connect to the Creator, right?

M. Laitman: If you think it is so, then maybe, it is so.

Student: What is the purpose of the soul engagement? For me to feel that I'm adhered to the Creator?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So this whole game of feeling good or bad in my will to receive, it's just so that we can try to adhere to the Creator more, above all of that? Is that the whole story?

M. Laitman: Yes, why not? What do you think is missing here?

Student: It's not that there's anything missing, but that it seems like I'm in a kind of system which constantly orients me towards more adhesion. If I know what the goal of the game is, what the purpose of the game is, then it follows, that I'm always being guided towards further connection with the Creator.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So where here can I feel progress? What is progress? Is it just to have more ascents and descents and a sense of adhesion?

M. Laitman: Of course. It's about the adhesion, yes, an adhesion - advancement in adhesion.

Student: And what does it mean that I've advanced in it adhesion?

M. Laitman: That to the extent that you feel outside of the state of wholeness, that you feel that clearly, then you add forces in order to raise above it.

Student: If in the past, the situation was such that once a day you feel an ascent, and once a day you feel a descent. Now, with everything going around us - today's reality and the Congress, the work with the friends - sometimes you feel dozens such states, in an hour even.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Is that called progress or did we regress? Did I regress? What does it mean, all this, the fact that there are many such entries, exits?

M. Laitman: With respect to what?

Student: With respect to, it's always with respect to connection with the Creator, that much is clear, that's not a question anymore. But I'm asking, the fact that the frequency is higher does that indicate that a person has advanced? Can he measure himself in that way? I'm looking for some gauge in which to measure these things. Why I'm asking is because you said previously that a person has to measure himself according to his will to receive.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So I'm trying to sort out how to measure it. Let's say, I want to today to have better measurements than yesterday. What do I need to count or examine in order to tell that I'm on the right path?

M. Laitman: To what extent you're advancing toward the Creator.

Student: And how can I tell that I've advanced more compared to yesterday?

M. Laitman: It's that the Creator is revealed to you with greater power.

Student: What does it mean that the Creator is revealed to me? The Creator isn't revealed to me, what I reveal is that there's something bad in my will to receive, and I say, oh, it's a clearing call from the Creator. Like when I make that connection does that mean that it's the Creator being revealed to me?

M. Laitman: No, you need to discover the Creator in all of your vessels in the maximum intensity.

Student: What does it mean to discover the Creator in my vessels with the level of maximum  intensity?

M. Laitman: That the Creator is operating only to your benefit no matter what state you feel that you're in, and this is how you advance.

Student: At the end of the day, when I count, what should I be counting? What should I be measuring? What is the “salary” here? What is the measure of closeness? 

M. Laitman: Nearing.

Student: Yes, nearing. How to measure?

M. Laitman: You measure it according to how you can measure what you're asking for.

Student: If I ask the Creator to come closer to Him once a day.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: If I ask the Creator to come close to Him a hundred times a day, that means I advanced? I came to ask a hundred times a day and that one time a day, does that mean I advance?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So is it correct to say the gate that I can to measure my advancement, to say if I am advancing or not, is just the number of times I made a request of the Creator? Because here you said we need to feel revelation. Here I'm feeling myself. I feel how many times I ask not how many times the Creator was revealed. So again, I'm repeating the question, I guess, but so for now I can just count how many times I made requests to the Creator?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Is it right to think that way?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (32:58) What does it mean to be close to the Creator? 

M. Laitman: To feel to what extent I feel the Creator in all of my systems.

Question (Turkiye 8): (33:57) How can we see states of descents not as being rejected from the work but as an opportunity for spiritual advancement?

M. Laitman: This depends on the preparation of the person. To the extent that the person values the fact that he's not separated from the Creator in the states that he's going through, accordingly, he can be measured to what extent he's getting closer.

Question (Rehovot): (34:36) What action should I take? How not to miss the opportunity to come closer to the Creator through descents? How not to miss out on the opportunity?

M. Laitman: If a person thinks only about that, or mainly about that, then on the background of that demand, he will measure all the states that he's going through.

Student: What demand?

M. Laitman: The demand to be connected to the Creator.

Question (Petah Tikva 6): (35:19) What should one yearn for? Where should his yearning be? In that demand?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (35:33) A child learns to ride a bicycle. His father holds him, well, with a helmet, of course, and everything, but he feels that he is cycling by himself. Riding the bicycle by himself. His father holds him, and he feels that he now knows how to ride a bicycle, even though his father is holding on. Later the father will let go, and the child will advance a few meters without his father holding him until he falls,  and he will fall. So that exactly is faith above reason, the moment he lets go, the moment he lets go I want to still believe that I'm riding the bicycle? I know he let go but I still want to keep riding the bicycle. What will give me that power to keep on cycling?

M. Laitman: The fact that you keep going with the forces of faith, that's called that you hold on to that force just as the Creator gives you. 

Student: My joy is in that I now give contentment to my father because he wants me to ride the bicycle by myself and I do even if just for a few meters. 

M. Laitman: Well.

Student: By that I give him contentment, right? Let's define it that way. So the moment I lose this intention of wanting to give contentment to my father by cycling by myself, in that moment I let go of faith, I left faith, right?

M. Laitman: Yes, yes.

Student: How to always keep that faith and not lose it? How do the friends help maintain it?

M. Laitman: You need to feel that only with the force of faith you go, you ride. Only in the force of faith you ride. That's it. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (38:26) I don't understand where the friends enter the picture. It sounds like this is a person's personal work, each one is an individual, he's in ascents and descents of his own. Where are the friends here?

M. Laitman: In the text is not written?

Student: I can forcefully take it out of there, but I feel like through the questions and the states - I'm in a descent I'm in ascent - where are my ascent and descent connected to the ascent and descent of the friends, and the whole 10?

M. Laitman: According to that example there's nothing we can do. It's not there.

Student: What's the correct form?

M. Laitman: The example is just an example. It doesn't include all of the worlds inside it. 

Student: When I'm in a descent, where are the friends? 

M. Laitman: When you are in a descent the friends are like you, that's what it seems to you. 

Student: How do I merit support from the friends? How do I use them as a lifesaver?

M. Laitman: By you being connected to them when you see as much as you are in a state that you're less than them, that should awaken you to connect to them even more, and get forces from that.

Student: But I'm in a descent now I'm disqualifying in my own flaws the friends, the Creator, actually everything loses its color. 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So how in that place can I strengthen with the friends, call them? From what, if he disqualifies them, they're not worthy in his eyes in the moment that he's in a descent. How can he get stronger and connect to them if he finds it tasteless, he doesn't see medicine in this?

M. Laitman: No, no.

Student: So, what should he do?

M. Laitman: There's nothing he can do. That's why he has a descent.

Student: So, what does a person do in such a state?

M. Laitman: During a descent either he recalculates - who he is, what he is, what's going on with him, and so on. That's it.

Student: If a person is investing in the Ten, did the preparation operated it for the benefit of the friends and reached a descent …

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Is that state of descent and disconnect not come as a place for help from the friends?

M. Laitman: It comes.

Student: How, where is it?

M. Laitman: It could be that the Creator still holding on to it and letting the person feel yet how he's connected to the friends.

Student: He writes that a person can get stronger, and only the Creator can help him.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: What is to get strengthened?

M. Laitman: To strengthen in faith, you can even say in a feeling, that only the Creator can help him.

Student: How does one get strengthened when there are no forces?

M. Laitman: When there's no forces you can't strengthen, so you cry out.

Student: And when we get strengthened with the feeling of the Lord, when we come closer to the Creator, what force do you get from that expectation, from that hope to come to Him? 

M. Laitman: When the Creator is revealed more than what was there before.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (43:37) In a state of an ascent the Kabbalists tell us to read the words of Torah and this is to add in adhesion, I'm assuming, yes?

M. Laitman: It's in order to add adhesion, yes.

Student: How does that operate? Beforehand we said that when he has a real ascent, and he is in perfection, there's nothing for him to do. But they do give an advice, they say, look into the words of Torah, and maybe we'll add something else for you.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: What does that give, now, that a person is in ascent and wholeness, and now he opens the book?

M. Laitman: If he's in an ascent and, supposedly, does it see any flaws around him and no ability to make any changes in his state, so he doesn't do anything. 

Student: He doesn't open a book either. 

M. Laitman: Of course, for what reason? 

Student: It's truly a dead end.

M. Laitman: The Creator organized the reasons, but just as you say, it's a state with a dead end.

Student: So, what is it considered to add in adhesion all the time?

M. Laitman: If he has the forces, if he has the opportunities, so he discovers them and wants to advance with them.

Student: I'm talking about a state of assent when he's in wholeness, in perfection. 

M. Laitman: Well. 

Student: So there's all kinds of advices that we hear - open the book, adherence to the Rav, adhesion to the friends, go out to a disseminate - willl nothing help him in this state?

M. Laitman: I guess there are states like that too.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (46:17) A child walks by his father. His father ignores him so the child has the opportunity above reason to believe that his father loves him and it strengthens his love for his father. So he has two opportunities - one day his father discloses his love to him, so by disclosing his love he kind of erases his faith because he used to believe now he knows. Our work needs to be above reason, not within reason. So what does the child do at that time when his faith was erased?

M. Laitman: That moment he tries to turn faith into knowledge and to knowing, and to work with that knowing, that this is my father and he loves me, and I in a just way demand of him.

Student: And then things enter within reason I understand that it's already a problem and we need to work above reason. So what remains for him to do to return to working above reason?

M. Laitman: Where does he take the forces to work above reason?

Student: Yes because now it's already been what he believed in so far became knowledge he has to return to working above a reason he can't rely upon what he's already revealed he needs to work above reason right?

M. Laitman: He can't get such forces; only the Creator can change his state. Where will he take it from?

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (48:41) Is the general Kli called Bnei Baruch only in a descent, meaning the general Kli, and within it there are all the points that are each in a different state?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Through the incorporation between us now, does that create Arvut? Here I'm hearing about each being in a different state, is incorporation between us what creates Arvut?

M. Laitman: The right incorporation between us creates Arvut, yes.

Student: And this Arvut is like a shock-absorber, because the general Kli in order to reach final correction is always in a descent?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (49:51) We start to feel the will to receive awakening during an ascent. Is it already that in a feeling that we're about ready to get a descent when we're already in an ascent?

M. Laitman: No, we don't know what's going to happen. We're working from a state, from our present state, what we feel, and how we can open it, how the current state that I'm in under, the upper force, how it works on me and it invites it in me.

Student: But I feel in that state that the light is expanding in the vessels when we're in that state I feel the light arriving and I feel the adhesion, so I feel the light in the vessels.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So it could be that maybe it's His might and.. that do this for me

M. Laitman: Could be.

Student: And the very fact that I felt that could cause me a descent?

M. Laitman: Could be.

Student: So, after the assent there will be a certain form of disparity?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: And that's the point where I need to give forth exertion, pray and connect to the group so that this descent will actually not be a descent but be a jumping board for the next degree?

M. Laitman: Yes. could be.

Student: Let's assume. I didn't do this. I might get a punishment of a disconnection from the Creator.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: And then I'll feel shame or the gap between…

M. Laitman: That's according to your degrees, according to your preparation - shame or not shame.

Student: If we're disconnected from the Creator is the punishment accompanied with the shame? Is the punishment of disconnect, will it be felt as shame?

M. Laitman: Sometimes you feel a punishment as shame.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (52:09) In a state in which we're advised “I am awaken the dawn, and not the dawn awakens me”, how not to wait for the descents but rather be like that old man who walks a bent-over seeking how not to lose his ascent?

M. Laitman: If I in society, and audience of people who are concerned of ascends, so I check myself in a way, in a frequency, in a more true way. That's it.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (53:26) There are states in which a descent brings a person to being helpless, to being almost immobile. You gave an example of a person who couldn't get out of bed and gets an anxiety attack, and even more extreme feelings and thoughts. What's the role of the group, of his Ten, to operate towards him? What is their responsibility? Can they influence his situation? What help can a Tem provide? Meaning, there's Arvut between them but the Arvit is meant for such states, after all, where a person invests in the society all the time and if a case happens where he is needy, the society can come an uplift him. So how can we influence and uplift a friend, if he's in a state where he can't help himself already?

M. Laitman: If we will be in connection between us, and some friend will fall from a state, it comes out of the connection with us, so of course, that he will feel it we will need to work on it to show him as much as he suddenly isn't in his regular state in connection to the group.

Student: What's the most effective care a Ten can do to uplift a friend? Sometimes, when a person is in a state, he doesn't hear, he's not impressed from nice words, so what's the most effective care that's possible to be able to take a friend and bring him back to standing on his feet?

M. Laitman: There's a difference between states, and we need to be concerned that every state that comes will make us closer to the Creator.

Student: There's this example that if there's a pain that's felt in one organ it's felt in the whole body.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: If there's a situation where a friend is in an extreme descent and the Ten continues as usual - we're okay.. we have a strong lesson, we connected - it doesn't feel the pain of this individual organ, meaning, they can even come in the same breath and say what is not okay?  Why he does not come on time? What is that say about the state of the group?

M. Laitman: If the group can’t help one of the friends, so by that they show their weakness.

Student: How can you recruit the Creator into such states?

M. Laitman: Prayer.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (58:23) It says that those that hope for the Lord will replace their forces. What will cause them to do so? What would really cause a person to shift gears here because when you're disconnected there's no shifting to something new. What will truly enable a person to replace that strength?

M. Laitman: You're always allowed to turn to the Creator. It's always worthwhile, it's always possible and then a person gets forces, still. You see what we're talking about now - what a person should do and we don't really see what he has to do. So the question is, are we remaining in this or are we still going through some stages and obligating the Creator to help us?

Student: Now after the convention you can really feel an ascent in the whole Kli, and we have an opportunity to either continue with all our forces to draw all the friends to something new that is clearer, some strengthening between us, or to wait for the Creator to do something for us. Now if we do some kind of strengthening, is it really a strengthening or is it just the force of my hands and my might that we are advancing? Where is the extent here, where a person says I must strengthen, I must add? Or really, come to some - I end up with the forces in the ascent, and now the Creator needs to shift gears for him and not that he is shifting gears?

M. Laitman: So, what a person does?

Student: Yes, now let's say as a world Kli, we are here after the convention, we had a big convention, and we need to do some kind of strengthening on our behalf or wait for the Creator to replace our strength. Who replaces our strength?

M. Laitman: Obviously, the Creator changes our strength but who is demanding a new gear? That's the created being.

Student: And if we already feel like we're retrieving and going down, how can we ask the Creator to shift to gears for us?

M. Laitman: How will you ask, where you can take a deficiency from?

Student: There has to be a degree of scrutinizing the situation and that we're going backwards.

M. Laitman: Of course, that's what we're talking about.

Student: So, what happens if a person misses that scrutiny of that moment?

M. Laitman: The environment.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:02:12) Is it one request or an accumulation of several requests that take a person out of his state? 

M. Laitman: A few requests.

Student: Is a very request already an ascent to which we belong?

M. Laitman: No.

Student: What is a spiritual benefit to the questions were scrutinizing now to come out of the state of descent?

M. Laitman: We discover more in which deficiency we're supposed to be in to reach the perfect descent. 

Student: Does the request need to be for connection with the Creator through connection or through prayer for the friends? 

M. Laitman: Both. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:03:11) He talks about the person received a descent because he was sufficed with some wholeness and want to remain that way permanently. And he was lowered so he doesn't satisfy himself with the little. It's like the spiritual Partzuf  where there's a clash, a beating that causes a feeling of …

M. Laitman: It doesn't matter, continue.

Student: My question is about, like the old person that looked down to see what he lost. Are we as in a society not as an individual who does some action, where is that point where this beating happens that he can no longer bestow but it doesn't cause him a descent where he goes out to rise again to bestow more? Where in the society here do we not be like a child who falls and is helpless but rather use the fact that we are seemingly without a vessel to invest more in, or more contentment to the Creator but rather we raise a new calculation and find new vessels. Is there such an action that we need to seek?

M. Laitman: Of course, we always have to be concerned for renewing our faith.

Student: Is there such a thing that can also be where we're going towards with the joy or this kind of sad thing?

M. Laitman: No, why sad? I see like  between athletes and all kinds of people that go towards something, so even if there's work before them, it's work of revealing new forces.

Student: So, eventually it needs to bring us, even, lets say, in the Ten - we meet today, and we do a gratitude meal, or something like that, we need to start scrutinizing here. Which brings him to a new calculation, to a new need, is there some matter here that we need to somewhat go back to making calculations towards the goal towards our state and how we from here…

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:06:23) This sentence where those who long for the Creator they use this thing long for him strongly. The more that we strongly long for the Creator we have a better demand, etc. Could you define those who hope for the Lord will gain new strength? How do we have to get there more precisely?

M. Laitman: Whoever wants to reach a direct short contact with the Creator, whoever's in that tendency, so they are always the one expecting the renewing of the forces.

Student: The tendency of being in an established connection with the Creator?

M. Laitman: Yes, of course.

Student: So that's where we want to go?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:07:31) If I understood correctly you said to the friend earlier what we were talking about was a person needs to do. We see that he doesn't have quite what to do, then in that state we need to oblige the Creator to help him, how do you compel the Creator to help us?

M. Laitman: Try in every state to be directed to Him with an expectation that you're ready to receive help from Him and that affects the Creator.

Student: What help should I be ready to receive from Him?

M. Laitman: Help, help for an ascent compared to the state that you're in.

Student: How can a person hold himself in such a state where he's constantly open to absorb or to receive the help that the Creator wants to give him so that he can notice it and use it?

M. Laitman: A person can play with himself that every time he's in a state that he's expecting the Creator to change him from one state to another more higher and higher.

Student: Then if he sustains himself in that state then he discerns the changes that the Creator's performing on him.

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: And that he's willing to receive them?

M. Laitman: Willing.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:09:41) The need for help from above for new degree will always be as a result of the incorporation between us?

M. Laitman: Usually, yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:09:59) Is there a difference between a descent before a person breaches into spirituality and a descent along the way, before the breakthrough?

M. Laitman: A difference between descents?

Student: A difference between the final stage before entering the Machsom [the barrier] and descent along the path.

M. Laitman: I guess there is.

Student: Is there something special in this descent or is it an accumulation of the descents that causes the transition?

M. Laitman: It's accumulation of discents.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:10:50) You said a person should expect the Creator will take him higher and higher.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Put expectations aside and reality aside, maybe there's a moment of being up, and a year of just more and more lower. So what this is the advice of how to pay for that, like payment?  In order to be in a moment, a second that the Creator is taking him higher than he has, to now go through long, long period of time where he's in a descent?

M. Laitman: It could be that it's not too long, it's not up to us, it's matter of the degrees.

Student: So unbalanced, there's no balance here.

M. Laitman: I can't measure that. I can't measure that.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:12:11) In a state of descent the taste is taken from a person and even the intellect sometimes, and you just feels like your body wants to run away.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: It's like I invest all my forces just to hold on to my framework and not leave here and that's a very passive state. It's like you don't do movements in order to exit or advance. How do you find the forces to, nevertheless, to overcome or have a movement and not just stay on that spot and hold on?

M. Laitman: Social connection. That's it.

Student: Many times we've asked you during the years and according to your answers from today, what is a covenant with friends and what is the covenant with the Creator? A covenant with the friends, what is that?

M. Laitman: A covenant with the friends is a general agreement in the group, in the Ten for some kind of spiritual work that we need to do between us; and a covenant with the Creator - that I understand what I need to do and what I'm asking of the Creator to do.

Student: I understand that's my personal attitude or relation to the Creator?

M. Laitman: Yes, yes.